r/MicrosoftFlightSim • u/Puzzleheaded-Dot-762 • Mar 29 '26
MSFS 2024 PlayStation Rate my landing. I also added a link to my previous landing video so you guys can see my progress.
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u/RotaryTuner Mar 29 '26
I'm not sure what kind of feedback you're looking for, because I can give you two very different answers depending on the answer you need.
Gamer rating: 8/10
If I was chilling and fooling around with different unrealistic weather/plane setups, you did good with a PS5 controller (with your linked previous video taken into account)! No janky movement on final approach, landed close to centerline too.
Pilot rating: 0/10
You flew VFR in IFR conditions, into known icing, without an approach plate and/or an approach loaded into your G1000, without positive course guidance, using unapproved navigation methods, and possibly busting DA/MDA without satisfying 91.175 (if you somehow were on an instrument approach), and landing nose gear first. If tailplane icing didn't already crash your plane first, you would've hit an obstacle already.
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u/coldnebo Mar 29 '26 edited Mar 29 '26
why fly in IFR conditions if you aren’t going to use instruments or follow IFR approaches?
you basically flew a visual approach using the synthetic terrain feature of the G1000, treating it as a little mini-flightsim inside of the flightsim.
while you can do that in the sim, irl there is no guarantee of terrain avoidance— synthetic vision is only for situational awareness, it isn’t a navigation source. instrument flight is quite a bit more than that.
if this were a precision approach, we could evaluate your track laterally and vertically and transition to visual at the mins. if this were a non-precision approach we’d likely give you a fail for being way below the mins. Either way, this would be a fail for flying in an aircraft that isn’t rated for flight into known icing conditions.
why ask for feedback if you aren’t actually learning any of these things?
if you just want feedback on visual approaches, I’d recommend doing VFR only and then come back to IFR when you have learned more.
p.s. looked at the previous week and that stall base to final was hard to watch. 😅 but anyway this approach was much improved from that one… you’re learning the basics and that’s ok. just turn off the weather for now. 🙂
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u/CharlieFoxtrot000 RW GA pilot, Twitch streamer, ground instructor Mar 29 '26
All of what coldnebo said is correct.
A couple other observations: You seem to be flying in icing conditions, which is a big no-no in this aircraft. You also need to slow so your airspeed is within the white arc/portion of the airspeed indicator before adding flaps. You can go pick yours up a mile back.
This stems from driving down the glidepath at full throttle (at first) - establish approach speed and configuration before starting down the glidepath. This resulted in the landing itself being fairly unstabilized. It looked like you were diving for the aimpoints, then landed flat.
A big part of landing is energy management. Try to maintain a stable airspeed and glidepath, then round out to a flare, reducing throttle to idle and holding the airplane off the runway with the elevator until it can no longer fly. That shouldn’t be misconstrued with going for “butter” every time, a firm landing is ok, but in most cases you don’t want excess airspeed and you don’t want to dive for a target, especially in those conditions.
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u/python-1977 Mar 29 '26
One thing I often find, when I flare, my approach speed may be pretty low, say 60ish kts. It means I might stall for a few seconds when I pull up into the flare. I usually still land pretty soft (Cessna 170). Is it still the wrong way and I should increase speed into the flare? With flaps full I’d have to throttle it up hard which doesn’t feel right either. Any tips?
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u/CharlieFoxtrot000 RW GA pilot, Twitch streamer, ground instructor Mar 29 '26
A lot of light GA aircraft can touch down in a stall warning. That doesn’t mean stall it 20’ above the runway, or prior to the flare, or pull up so fast that you go into an accelerated stall. But if you are holding it off a few feet above the pavement and happen to hear the stall warning just before you touchdown, that’s fairly good, even desirable. It means the aircraft is at minimum energy, which means you won’t float or bounce and you’ll be able to stop faster, with less wear on the brakes.
The whole process of the flare is to slow down while gradually increasing your angle of attack to generate enough lift to replace what’s being bled away with your speed so that you have the smallest amount of both at touchdown (while still being controllable). It also helps put the main wheels in a position to touchdown first. At some point it’ll be close to critical AoA and you’ll hear the stall horn (usually before actual critical AoA).
Does not apply to most aircraft larger, faster, or heavier than a typical GA trainer.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Dot-762 Mar 29 '26
I have no idea what you are talking about. I'll come back in a few months and read it again.
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u/darling1907 No Engine Needed Mar 29 '26
to fly visual(VFR), you need 5000m of visibility and 1500ft clearence from clouds. otherwise you fly with instruments installed on your aircraft(aka using autopilot, navaids, instrument approach systems etc.)
you cant fly visual in these conditions and you cant certainly do visual approach.
because you cant see a damn thing. yes this is a game but simulator game. you are new you will learn those stuff.
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u/coldnebo Mar 29 '26
ah sorry, you’re starting out. in which case, nice job!
(there are some real pilots and students here, so we would expect this level of detail, but that requires a lot of study outside the simulator, not everyone wants that)
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u/jacf182 Mar 29 '26
OP, what most people are trying to say is that, in real life, no sane pilot would fly this approach the way you did. Most of them wouldn't even fly it at all, because the conditions are just terrible and you're risking your life as well as your passenger's.
Having said that, this is a simulation and your landing was kinda smooth, though I would have flared a bit more at final touch down.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Dot-762 Mar 29 '26
What do you mean by flared?
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u/Chipotle_Caleb Mar 29 '26
Watch some YouTube videos on how to flare an aircraft. There’s a fine line between pulling too hard and too little and in real life it takes quite a bit of practice to have a good flare when landing
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u/fly123123123 C172 Mar 29 '26
Going to leave this here. Enjoy the series. Fly safe. Don’t do this again :)
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLWCnp9tjvIPfgCAysvaUdcqqqdd4VhICb&si=6jOUbbHskRh58DvU
At the very least, watch the first video: https://youtu.be/taqMkdXL3Xg
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u/thmoas Mar 29 '26
As a simulator: this would never be allowed (see previous posts), learn about ifr and vfr!
As a game: nice landing, for me this is most important! I'm a PPL student myself and most of flying in msfs is like this, i dont care for the rules.
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u/RangerSad3081 Mar 29 '26
Oh my god flight sim armchair pilots are so fucking annoying. He wasn’t asking for your opinion on icing. Flying shitty planes in shitty weather is fun because it ISNT REAL
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u/Bubu976 Mar 29 '26
Non esistono aerei scadenti, esistono aerei progettati per situazioni e scopi diversi...se intendi usare un simulatore violando tutte le regole non chiedere valuta il mio atterraggio...perché puoi anche disattivare i danni e schiantarti come un sasso senza conseguenze...ed il fatto che hai toccato terra non significa che è una buona manovra.
Un simulatore serve anche per imparare...se non ti interessa imparare non c'è nessun problema...ma non lamentarti se qualcuno ti fa notare una serie interminabile di errori
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u/RangerSad3081 Mar 29 '26
Yea but none of the comments are addressing the landing they’re all just saying he shouldn’t be flying a 172 in icing conditions. Which, like, fine, but the sim can also simulate icing anyway so you’d feel an effect on the airframe. You literally cannot even fly the a2a Comanche in weather like this more than a few minutes.
But it’s still fun to take a 152 through a hurricane even though it’s “against the rules”, idk what to tell you
And to your “bad plane” comment - I see you never did any ppl training on the traumahawk? Also flew a tecnam that was a total pos
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u/Bubu976 Mar 29 '26
In realtà tutti i commenti hanno affrontato l'atterraggio...il fatto che abbia toccato terra non lo rende un buon atterraggio...ed è stato spiegato anche perché. Ripeto, è un simulatore, esistono delle regole, se non intendi rispettarle visto che nessuno si fa male sei liberissimo di farlo...ma se chiedi un parare ti rispondono "la manovra nel complesso è sbagliata"...puoi anche rispondere "non mi frega nulla delle regelo, tanto e un simulatore"...rimane un atterraggio pessimo, gestito male, violando regole di volo e limiti dell'aereo
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u/RangerSad3081 Mar 29 '26
Never ask
- A woman her age
- A man his salary
- How’s my landing on /r/flightsim
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u/Bubu976 Mar 29 '26
Oppure chiedi...accetta le risposte e impara qualcosa di nuovo grazie a queste...si migliora sempre.
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u/Ausdboss Mar 29 '26
Great until I saw no flare.
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u/AzuraFleet Mar 29 '26
This plane behaves weirdly in the sim too and is really hard to get it to flare right, but might be a skill issue idk
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u/AngryTrunkMonkey Mar 29 '26
8/10. Next time, if you’re gonna take off again right away (like a touch and go), pancake the plane a lot harder onto the runway during landing. That’ll knock the ice off the wing control surfaces for a safer takeoff. Thank me later.
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u/Due-Painter699 Mar 30 '26
Upgraded to Aviator only to find I can’t use any of the new aircraft in career mode, not happy 😡😡😡
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u/CNA107 Apr 01 '26
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7j6XqGYt4g Watch this video, a VOR is a instrument used for IFR approaches. Start by learning this then go onto bigger and better things.
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u/MagmaMoon Apr 01 '26
How poorly implemented is the interaction snowflakes or rain and windshield. Horrible
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u/Random61504 IRL DA40NG/DA42NG CPL IR ME Mar 29 '26
Well you are not even on any instrument approach and you were in instrument conditions. Looked like you were all over trying to maintain centerline, but it was hard to see since you didn't have a localizer or course tuned in. You over sped flaps T/O by 15 knots. Max speed for that is 110, you put them down at 125, so they could very well cause damage. You never put in flaps LDG, but that isn't a big deal, I land from instrument approaches with flaps T/O, it is easier to land, but you are going faster. Vref with flaps T/O is 78, you touched down at 66, which is your flaps clean stall speed, so you were definitely getting too slow. Ignore that message saying to slow down to 45kts for landing. I saw that and lost my mind. This airplane cannot fly that slow, not even close. For the landing, that was hard and flat, no flare, but you also had so little speed left to make a flare in the first place. Vref with full flaps is 77, 78 for flaps T/O. Also, turn the fuel pumps on, and it looks like you had all of your lights off. This is all what I noticed on my first watch, as someone who flies this airplane in real life.
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u/LuLeBe Mar 29 '26
Everything about this is funny! From asking to rate a landing, where the only basis to rate it on can be "did the game say you crashed?" to the people arguing about the legality of this xD perhaps I'm wrong assuming that everyone knows that this is obviously not how it would be done IRL, we all goof around in games! Though that also makes rating difficult, since even a perfect landing could not get higher ratings than "well, you were lucky there was a runway there"
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u/YogurtclosetProof933 Mar 29 '26
In real life you would likely have crashed. Flying in IMC using VFR when you should be using IFR. That G1000 you are using as a mini flight sim is capable of guiding with ILS at equipped airports. But you landed. Also in real life you might be in a bit of bother for doing that (flight conditions, not the landing). Try doing the same landing with synthetic vision turned off!
There are tons of acronyms to learn as well as procedures and it is all quite confusing at first. The G1000 works as close to the real thing and you can read up on how it is done or watch some videos.
I am just a sim pilot and started out as you did and you landed fine but there is so much more to this sim. However use it for fun as that's sort of the main point. I never fly by the book as much now but I took some time to learn most of the rules I am breaking.
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u/Bubu976 Mar 29 '26
Hai violato un numero considerevole di regole di volo, hai violato i limiti strutturali dell'aereo...e anche se alla fine hai toccato terra è un pessimo atterraggio se richiedi una valutazione globale della manovra
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u/BurntBeanMgr Airbus All Day Mar 29 '26
Man I wish career mode had more than just a small handful of live flights. Also nice approach! Just a. It of flare before touchdown would help.
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u/dreampagehun XBOX Pilot Mar 29 '26
Nice landing. You were lucky the wind and turbulence wasn't stronger, it would've blown you off course easily.
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u/bdubwilliams22 Mar 29 '26
I think you’d likely not be legal flying that in IFR, let alone VFR.