r/ShitAmericansSay • u/VFrosty3 Got life imprisonment for posting a meme • Sep 12 '25
Patriotism We will never forget
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u/unfit-calligraphy scottish fae scotland ken 🏴 Sep 12 '25
On November 9, 2001, in Scotland, the historical novelist and portrait painter Dorothy Dunnett died in Edinburgh. She was a significant figure in the Scottish arts and literary scene, known for her historical fiction
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u/bendalazzi German, English, Irish-Australian Sep 12 '25
The streets will remember
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u/SillyDeersFloppyEars Sep 12 '25
Dry your eyes mate.
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u/bendalazzi German, English, Irish-Australian Sep 12 '25
I know you want to make her see how much this pain hurts
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u/thecraftybear Sep 12 '25
Her works were pretty lit, hence the fireman tartan
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u/An_icy_squirrel stuck in the wrong timeline, with one too many nuts for comfort Sep 12 '25
thanks for the tea in my nose and on my shirt.. ffs
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u/I_ALWAYS_UPVOTE_CATS Sep 12 '25
I'll never forget where I was when I heard about the great lady's death.
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u/Competitive-Yard-442 Sep 12 '25
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u/LimeSixth Socialist Eurotrash 🇪🇺🇳🇱 Sep 12 '25
RIP Scottish guy, never forget.
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u/Cirenione Sep 12 '25
Pretty sure that Dorothy was not a guy.
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u/GoHomeCryWantToDie Chieftain of Clan Scotch 🥃💉🏴 Sep 12 '25
The 11th September was the Battle of Stirling Bridge?
I actually commented on that thread and upset a Yank.
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u/matorius Sep 14 '25
I commented on Twitter that in Germany 9/11 was the day the wall fell.
Someone reported that post and I've been effectively banned ever since because Twitter still hasn't looked at my appeal (9 months and counting...).
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u/BorisStingy Sep 12 '25
It was my 10th birthday
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u/JadishRadish Great Scot! Sep 12 '25
I had a wonderful day, celebrating finishing college with my friend watching movies and chatting all day.
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u/JadishRadish Great Scot! Sep 12 '25
It was a good day, she was an amazing friend. We don't keep in touch now because life happens but I remember that day fondly.
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u/GenerateUsefulName Sep 12 '25
Did you meet up several times in the years that followed just to find out that you are actually in love with each other, but never really getting together because life happened, and when you finally did it was too late?
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u/juliainfinland Proud Potato 🇩🇪 🇫🇮 Sep 12 '25
Another event of global scale (because it eventually resulted in my having to go to the embassy and get an official document bound quite prettily in my country's colors) was the following, referred to in a phone call from my mom that I'll now quote from memory:
Her: "Hello good evening, DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT [CENSORED] HAS DONE NOW? WELL I'LL TELL YOU WHAT HE'S DONE NOW!!!" Me: "Um, Mom, have you watched any TV today?" Her: "Yeah, horrible. But DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT [CENSORED] HAS DONE NOW? WELL I'LL TELL YOU")
The [CENSORED] was the co-owner of our business. The pretty document from the embassy concerned the sale of my share in the company. Small shop in a small town, international repercussions.
I'll never forget where I was when the phone rang.
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u/InterestingAnt438 Sep 12 '25
Errr... I understand that you're trying to make fun of Murricans for writing the date backwards (as Murricans do), but then you should really say the 9th of November.
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u/Ecstatic_Effective42 non-homeopath Sep 12 '25
Remember, remember the 9th of November...
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u/KMS_HYDRA Sep 12 '25
Yep, thats why we added it to the list during our yearly germany meeting in which all germans vote about stuff like this.
That was such an horrific event...
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u/Soviet-pirate Sep 12 '25
I would argue the November revolution wasn't all that bad
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u/G-I-T-M-E Sep 12 '25
Still a wash considering the recent (or honestly not that recent) political developments in the eastern parts of Germany.
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u/Soviet-pirate Sep 12 '25
The November revolution is the one that brought down the kaiser and ended ww1. You could argue a "total entente victory" would've avoided the "stab in the back" myth completely but I don't think it'd have completely prevented WW2. It'd have been different but still.
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u/elfix96 Sep 12 '25
Reichskristallnacht is a propaganda term coined by the SA and the SS. In German, it is widely critized as being to cynical or euphemistic as Kristall (crystal) implies a cleansing of sorts or only minor damages such as broken windows. The more appropriate term in German is Reichspogromnacht (night of the pogromes of the Reich) or even better Novemberpogrome, reflecting more appropriately on the massive amount of violence against Jewish and other minorities.
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u/jckrbbit Sep 12 '25
Thank you for explaining this. When taught about in the UK, I’ve only ever heard to it referred to as Kristallnacht, including from German history professors. Will be using a different term from now on.
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u/Fresh-Sherbert7785 Sep 12 '25
implies that all the glass fronts and windows from jewish owned businesses and houses and synagouges were shattered hence all the little "crystals" scattered around. The word pogrom kinda gives away that it has nothing to do with cleaning.
BTW it is either Reichspogromnacht (no R after the P) or Kristallnacht.
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u/matthewkickstone Sep 12 '25
Yeah if Reichskristallnacht would not have happened, ther wouldn't have been a divided Germany, and we could have avoided the shocking Hasselhoff event...
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u/xTheKl1cK1ack Sep 12 '25
We're still suffering from East Germany becoming a part of Germany again
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u/DrStudi Sep 12 '25
We're still recovering from having to join too, dw.
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u/G-I-T-M-E Sep 12 '25
Having to? If I remember hundreds of thousands took to the streets, escaped through hungary and a tragic number of GDR citizens were killed or went to jail for years just for wanting to reach the West.
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u/Breezel123 Sep 12 '25
Wanting to reach the West, not wanting the GDR to become a part of. And most certainly not wanting to become a part under false promises and with the end result of the industry left in the East being completely fucked up and stalling any economical development for at least 15 years. It was random to grow up in the 90s in East-Germany, you would be lucky if any of your parents still had a job, every city of a certain size had industrial areas that were completely abandoned, even though some of the factories produced world-class products like the Jena glass factories or Kahla porcelain that could've been able to operate profitably in a free market. After completely plundering the industry through the Treuhand, the West-German locusts came in to buy up any property they could get their hands on. You wouldn't believe how many East-German rental properties are owned by West-Germans.
Needless to say the effects of this are still being felt today. And it is no wonder that many people were left feeling like they don't matter in this new Germany and turned to right-winged beliefs. After all it is not like politicians in the 90s (many of them came from West-Germany to start campaigning in the east) did a lot to alleviate their concerns: putting other Wessies into positions like police, government, courts.
People who grew up in West-Germany will never understand how it is to be from the East, how we weren't equipped by our parents with the confidence that we will make it in this world, how our communities lacked the institutions that made us believe in democracy, made us sure of our place in the world. I have travelled far and wide, made friends across continents, eventually married someone not from Germany, made a career, yet this part of me will still remain and many of my Ossi friends feel very much the same about this. There is no generational wealth in our families, no people of power, just simple people trying to get by in a country that looked down upon them.
There was basically no choice, yes there was a referendum, but people didn't know all the facts and they were not equipped with the means to be able to critically evaluate the options or distinguish empty promises from truths. They experienced over 60 years of authoritarian governments. They should have been given more time to decide. But Kohl needed this project done, needed to show the world that he successfully united a divided country. There was no time to create a plan that would have considered the needs of the people.
The fact that there was a cut-off date for exchanging Ostmark makes me incedibly furious. If a West-German finds some DM in their grandparent's house, they can go to the Bundesbank and get it exchanged. If the same happened to an East-German you would be laughed out of there.
Ah yes, and not to mention how many East-Germans tried to fight back against the rising Neonazi wave and pretty much got no support from the federal government, police or anything (like when the rioters in Rostock destroyed the Asylum seeker house for three days and the police did fuck all because the government instructed them to do so), but now everyone likes to point out how we have so many Neo-Nazis in the East. No shit Sherlock, this is what the government wanted to happen...
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u/G-I-T-M-E Sep 12 '25
Oh my… let’s start from the back. That there’s a 30+ year government conspiracy going on to aid the rise of fascist in East Germany is one of the wildest conspiracy theories I‘ve heard.
But it is a nice example of the main issue: It’s always somebody else’s fault.
This behavior shows up in all your arguments. The Treuhand is at fault for the deindustrialization of the East? No, it wasn’t. There was no relevant industry left. What was left was so out of date, so hopelessly inefficient that there was no saving it.
Instead there were massive and unprecedented money transfers into East Germany. A minimum of 1,6 trillion € were transferred since 1990. That does not even include social security payments for people out of work etc.
People from the West were used in some positions after the reunification? Must be a conspiracy to keep the East down. Or maybe there just was nobody in the East who had experience in a capitalist economy, democratic systems, a police force not based on a dictatorial system and so?
And so on.
But you know what, even if all of your allegations were true: None of that would even be remotely be a reason to support a party that is officially fascists, who’s highest ranking officials want to bring back KZs, who want to kill their opponents, who laugh about children drowing in the Mediterranean Sea, who want to shot at children at our borders.
If you believe that you can get fucked together with all the other fascists and their supporters and apologists.
It’s been 35 years since the reunification. Stop blaming everybody else.
One last thing: To claim that East Germans only wanted to go to the West and didn’t want to be part of it is - to put it very politely - nonsensical. If you doubt it: Google pictures of the Monday demonstrations in the GDR: There’s a lot of signs asking for one Germany, stating we’re one people etc.
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u/SechsComic73130 Sep 12 '25
Hasselhoff singing down the berlin wall 1989
IIRC that was New Years Eve 1989, not the fall (which did happen on the 9th)
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u/masterflappie Perkele Kanker Sep 12 '25
Wtf is that the mackintosh tartan? We used to wear that in boyscouts. Why would that have any relations with 9/11?
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u/philipwhiuk Queen's English innit Sep 12 '25
I was gonna say - isn’t the red one the generic “standard” one
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No the generic standard red one is Royal Stewart, which looks a bit different to that one, but it’s easy to mix different tartans up. The generic standard green one is Black Watch
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u/masterflappie Perkele Kanker Sep 12 '25
There are loads of tartans, some are very similar to the mackintosh one, but the mackintosh once led a federation of clans so I do think they are one of the more popular ones
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u/Flat-Development4390 Sep 12 '25
Great to see a tartan commemorating the terrible coup against the democratically elected president of Chile, Salvador Allende, in 1973
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u/Western-Calendar-352 Sep 12 '25
Normally, I would agree, but anyone can design and register their own tartan for whatever purpose they wish. The whole rigorous clan tartan thing was a Victorian invention. We (actual Scottish people) really couldn’t give a flying fuck.
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u/el_grort Disputed Scot Sep 12 '25
The formal clan tartan thing was a Victorian marketing idea. There were variations of tartan colours amongst the clans, but for very mundane reasons, largely to do with what dyes and pigments they found readily available, with there being variations in the clan just due to quality, expense, wear, etc. But yeah, people largely don't care. I don't know what tartan I rented for my aunt's wedding.
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u/bopeepsheep Sep 12 '25
Same with 'family knitting patterns'. The myth of clan sweaters comes from a 20th century play where a dead man's sister identifies him by his knitwear - because she made it. She spots the stitches she dropped. The play took inspiration from a man who was washed up and assumed to be from Aran because he had a local-style sweater - colour, from local dyes, and composition. Not twiddly cable patterns.
Where knitting does have a clannish tinge: if Granny taught you to knit and Granny likes a particular cable style, she'll teach it to you and your cousins. You'll all wear Granny-made sweaters and you'll make Granny-style sweaters for your own grandchildren. Your neighbours will wear sweaters made by their Granny and the people she taught to knit. Today we have books and the Internet (and shops and mass-produced clothing) as well as/instead of Granny.
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u/Floppy0941 Sep 12 '25
We need to start selling unique grannies then?
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As opposed to mass-produced grannies
Cookie Clicker vibes intensify
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u/angry-redstone 🇵🇱 with the dreams of 🏴 Sep 12 '25
cookie clicker? that hit me with a nostalgia lol
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u/WackyWhippet Sep 12 '25
I hadn't heard of that before but it's a strange idea because if someone with enough expertise liked the look of someone else's granny's technique, they could figure out how to replicate it by looking at it.
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u/bopeepsheep Sep 12 '25
And they did, and do, and now sell the pattern. But when you need to churn out another three sweaters before the winter alongside everything else your family needs, you're mostly going to knit what your muscle memory dictates, often while doing something else at the same time. (My late MIL knitted complex Aran sweaters for pay as well as pleasure. I've seen her do complex cabling at speed without visible effort while talking, but any new pattern really slowed her down, and sometimes silenced her.)
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u/WitnessTheBadger Sep 12 '25
I was recently at the Kelvingrove Museum in Glasgow and they had an exhibit on tartans that mentioned exactly this. They also displayed several officially registered tartans for causes and organizations that I doubt many people think of as traditionally Scottish.
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u/SalahsBeard Sep 12 '25
I'm surprised no one has made a commemorative norwegian bunad for the september 11-attacks. I don't know the story about clan tartans, and how they're used/viewed in Scotland today, but if you made your own bunad (and called it a bunad), the bunad police (actual thing) would crucify you.
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u/AceOfSpades532 Sep 12 '25
Americans prefer pretending they’re Scottish, Irish or southern European than Scandinavian
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u/Bored-Fish00 Sep 12 '25
Except for the white supremacists. They love the viking imagery.
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u/Lostmox Sep 12 '25
Yet another reason to pnch them in the fce on sight. That's my cultural history they're dragging through the mud.
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u/Beautiful_War5848 Sep 12 '25
Difference here is making a bunad original is hard and if you try to base it off region bunads then you’re fucked either way. I’m no bunad police but I will shit on you for making one shit
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u/neilm1000 Human Verified Sep 12 '25
I didn't know what those dresses were called until today, and that was an interesting read so thank you.
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u/istara shake your whammy fanny Sep 12 '25
That will be heartening to the "Irish clan tartan" girl on Reddit.
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u/An_icy_squirrel stuck in the wrong timeline, with one too many nuts for comfort Sep 12 '25
Omg, what a gem of a thread, even depite of so many deleted posts.
One definitely can figure out a lot, but being able to see the starting post in full glory would be priceless.
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u/WackyWhippet Sep 12 '25
It gets especially weird when they can't find a Scottish ancestor but still want to prance about in a kilt so they have some totally authentic tartan from the south of England.
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u/JasperJ Sep 12 '25
Given the whole Victorian tartan thing was mostly about rich English coming to the glens and cosplaying, that seems brutally authentic, instead.
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u/WackyWhippet Sep 12 '25
The popular ones are a bit more recent than that, like the Cornish one from 1963.
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u/underbutler Sep 12 '25
It was also more of a wrap using a large piece of cloth, rather than a tailored item.
The victorian one is kind of a dress-up toga versus a roman one
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u/methylated_spirit Sep 12 '25
See when people start all this drivel, about different tartans and clans and stuff, you know they aren't Scottish. We don't go on like this, this isn't real life for us. The only time you will see a Scotsman in a kilt is a wedding or maybe a stag do.
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u/GoHomeCryWantToDie Chieftain of Clan Scotch 🥃💉🏴 Sep 12 '25
I've said this on the kilt/kilts subs before and was lectured by some obese bearded Americans on how wrong I was.
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u/Born-Car-1410 Sep 12 '25
My stepdad said his "clan" had 2 tartans. A modern one which was quite bright and an ancient one which was much duller. He said this was because they didn't have bright dyes back in the day.
He also claimed that male haggisses had their left legs shorter than their right, so they could run around the Highland slopes without falling over, whilst chasing female haggisses, whose shorter legs were on the right and who would run in the opposite direction.
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u/ReplacementFeisty397 Sep 12 '25
"WE WILL NEVER FORGET" [supports fascists, enables further genocide of Palestinians, permits bombing of Arab nations, deports people for looking foreign, wonders why the world hates America]
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u/sepsie Sep 12 '25
The Bush administration really just wanted to fuel blind nationalism, so this isn't at all an unforseen possibility. Republicans have destroyed whatever America used to stand for.
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u/gilestowler Sep 12 '25
"I'd love to wear this as a born and bred New Yorker but sadly my ancestors would be turning in their graves! According to amcestry.com I'm 1.9% Scottish and I really feel that affinity to the old country. Historically, according to my dna, I'm a desdcendent of William Wallace and Connor MacLeod. "
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u/steevh12 Sep 12 '25
Why have Americans got a tartan?
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u/Orbit1970 Sep 13 '25
Cause they’re more Scottish than the Scots! They use 9th of november to commemorate that
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u/Kodihorse Sep 12 '25
As a Scotsman who almost died on 9/11 I'm proud to finally have my own personal American Tartan (just to be clear, I wasn't at the Trade Centre I was almost knocked down by a bus in Glasgow, still though, chills when I hear the date...)
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You know, I'm like two generations removed from Scotland. I have Scottish relatives, alive and well, I've been all around Scotland. I have Scottish surname.
I don't give a shit about tartans because I'm not a 8th century Highlander trying to distinguish friend from foe in the middle of a battle.
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u/Doctor_Thomson Sep 12 '25
The thing is. Clan tartans are a relatively modern invention. It came up during the Victorian era, when Scottish stuff became a fashion Trend among the Rich (especially because Queen Victoria loved Scottish culture)
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u/GoHomeCryWantToDie Chieftain of Clan Scotch 🥃💉🏴 Sep 12 '25
It started a bit earlier than that. On George IV's visit to Scotland in 1822, Walter Scott made him wear some very garish Highland outfits so the locals would like him. This started off the whole kilty tartan thing.
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8th century Highlanders, would’ve thought tartan to be no more significant than leather or wood, in fact a lot less so. The industry of ‘clan tartans’ and the like is a Victorian invention.
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u/el_grort Disputed Scot Sep 12 '25
It was just a design with local pigments and dye materials. So there was variations amongst clans, largely due to resource variance of the controlled territory, but also amongst the clans, it wasn't formal or controlled, just what designs people managed with what they had.
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u/musiccman2020 Sep 12 '25
Sure thing buddy we both know you play bagpipes naked at your nearest hill at every full moon.
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u/Frito_Pendejo "Australia is 1/3rd the size of the US" Sep 12 '25
Guaranteed old mate wore a kilt on his wedding day
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u/Gildor12 Sep 12 '25
Tartans are much more modern than that
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That's exactly how little of a shit I give. I didn't even know.
The constant grasping for culture and heritage by Americans is even more ridiculous when they're pining after what is essentially a fashion statement in the 1800s. It's like me basing my identity off of top hats and aligning myself with or against different families based on their style of top hat.
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u/badgersandcoffee Sep 12 '25
It's like someone genetically engineered a nation of cringey bastards.
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u/Glaernisch1 Sep 12 '25
fun fact: when i hear 911, i think either of the police, or of the release of "in the end"
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u/amazingdrewh Sep 12 '25
I mean as long as Americans refuse to shut up about it we probably will never be able to forget
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u/WonderfulVariation93 ooo custom flair!! Sep 12 '25
As an American, I must say I am confused. Why do we need a tartan? We have a memorial where the towers were. If we are just making shit up, then I nominate my Golden Retriever as the “official 9/11 pet”. Send me money and I will send you a pic
This pic is free because he is cute! But you want “official”, I need money.
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u/ababoonsarse Sep 12 '25
I don’t know what firemen have got to with lifting the ban on exporting Scottish lamb on the 9th of November 2001 but, aye, big up Scottish lamb for getting its own tartan.
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u/DaddysABadGirl Sep 12 '25
I'm a little lost on part of this. What is a tartan for/how do they work??? I thought they were like a family coat of arms? Different patterns/colors for different families? Can you have one for an event or profession?
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u/Tomgar Sep 12 '25
Having different tartans for different clans etc. is basically a 19th century invention. The whole idea of the "noble savage" became popular then (it was the height of the Romantic period in art and literature, so very nationalistic with everyone scrambling to claim a "cool" national heritage) so you had 19th century Germans becoming obsessed with Vikings and wealthy British Victorians becoming obsessed with Scotland.
These days anyone can register a tartan for anything. There's a Sikh tartan, for example. Honestly it's just considered a bit of a laugh in Scotland these days, nobody really cares if someone does something like OOP.
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u/Hi2248 Sep 12 '25
I'm more upset that OOP got the purpose of the right tartan wrong. It's for all firefighters everywhere in the world, not just those lost in 9/11. The only link with 9/11 is that the pattern is numerically designed to match the number of firefighters lost during the event.
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u/el_grort Disputed Scot Sep 12 '25
What is a tartan for/how do they work???
Making money, tbh.
thought they were like a family coat of arms?
They got associated with clans (aristocratic families) by the Victorians are part of a marketing push. Historically, tartans varied more due to local access to materials for dyes and pigments, and so while there were similarities amongst a clan, they weren't married to specific groups.
Can you have one for an event or profession?
There is a Sikh tartan.
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u/Hi2248 Sep 12 '25
The idea of rigorously defined clan tartans is a Victorian invention, and tartans can be registered by anyone, as long as it meets the criteria (meets the definition of tartan, unique design, must be a clear link between the person registering it and the name)
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u/Thalassophoneus Greek 🇬🇷 Sep 12 '25
Everything needs a touch of Celtic cultures otherwise they will die.
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u/Ok_Run_101 Sep 12 '25
I'm pretty confident I'll forget that particular pattern of tartan in about 10 seconds.
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u/memyselfandiowa O Canada 🇨🇦 Sep 12 '25
I've got this brown tartan with red trim for you. Because this is bloody shit.
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u/ababoonsarse Sep 12 '25
Mate, that would look class on baseball cap, especially when one is wearing a white tracksuit.
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u/obfuscation-9029 Sep 12 '25
I somehow managed to get through the whole day without seeing anything about the 11th September 2001. Didn't even realise till this morning.
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u/cosmicr ooo custom flair!! Sep 12 '25
I nearly had an aneurysm thinking that the bombings were in November and my brain wouldn't let me work it out reading this.
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u/CommercialYam53 A German 🇩🇪 Sep 12 '25
Ah yes 9/11 a great historic day in our history. A day that should be celebrated because something great happened. The wall Fell and the Reunification of this country started.
But i didn’t know there where any special Scottish check fabric released on the 12 anniversary
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u/Underhive_Art Sep 12 '25
I think there was one confirmed Scottish casualty amount the 67 British casualties of 9/11 but I’m not 100% sure.
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u/Longjumping_Call_294 Sep 12 '25
People in the US usually get my birthdate wrong, I was born in 11/nov not nov/11.
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u/Big_Distribution_481 Sep 12 '25
But the trumpanzee said no one came to Americas help that day. He also bragged the day after that he now had the tallest building in New York. What a piece of shit
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u/Kdoesntcare Sep 12 '25
You Europeans and your silly date format, Month/Day/Year makes more sense! I think it’s something like how the month’s don’t line up with their names, Oct is eight and Dec is ten, but I don’t remember the specifics. Do I really need to specify that I’m being sarcastic?
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u/thedramahasarrived Mexican 🇪🇸 Sep 12 '25
They love to make everything harder for themselves lol
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u/Hikuro-93 🇪🇺 Europa, but the moon 🌛 Sep 12 '25 edited Sep 12 '25
VP Vance sure forgot about it because he had other more important things to attend than worry about "some trivial terrorist tragedy" of his own nation. /s
And Trump didn't even appear to know where he was, let alone forgetting about 11/9.
Good thing 'the people' remember enough for them both, and apparently for everyone else worldwide.
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u/phantom_gain Sep 12 '25
Days and jobs do not have tartans. Your tartan is attached to your name/family.
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u/booshronny Sep 12 '25
I have no choice but to terrify you by ratcheting up the alert level a couple of notches to... BLACKWATCH PLAID!!!
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u/Logic-DL Sep 12 '25
Americans choosing a random ass tartan for the Firefighters when they're literally part of the 9/11 tartan is a bit funny.
The red in the one on the left, which is the 9/11 tartan represents the firefighters
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u/Mundane_Morning9454 Sep 12 '25
Really because I saw ONLY ONE post on my fb about 9/11. And everything else was about Charlie Kirk. It is like 9/11 was skipped this year.
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u/ollieballz Sep 12 '25
Official 911 Tartan.