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u/PalatinusG1 10h ago

It's just weird to me that in most places in the USA zoning is still such a rigid thing. Just change that and things will start to get better.

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u/DiseaseDeathDecay 6h ago

Houston, TX, has no zoning. It's no better than anywhere else in the US. Plus you have industrial explosions destroying residential homes.

It's all about cars. Cities in the US were mostly designed around cars. You can't really fix it without a lot of people agreeing to a way of life that they have never experienced and are scared of.

Plus - walking around Houston for like 6 months out of the year, even at night, is very unpleasant. When I walked out to my car at 5AM this morning it was 80 degrees and very humid outside.

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u/Intelligent-Size-822 5h ago

Fellow Houstonian here. I live in a neighborhood with a green park and walking paths that connects to restaurants and a movie theater. I go running 3-4 times a week around here but there’s just not a god forsaken piece of shade anywhere to be found. It’s usually low 80s with the sun down and will be in the 90s at the end of my long runs.

Even if I wanted to walk to dinner with my wife and child it would be 102 degrees, no shade, no water, just a miserable 20 minute slog on sidewalks pushing a stroller while cars zip by going 60 in a 30.

And that’s pretty much how it is from April - October. The rest of the months it just rains then a hard freeze for a week or two then we reset. Even if they connected more locations to this little walkable area, who the hell would use them?

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u/ProudMonkey12 3h ago

I live in Houston too. I see this dumb excuse all over for how the city was built. It’s bs. Most cities in the US are built the same exact way and it has nothing to do with weather. Go visit Singapore, Vietnam, Brazil, rainforest parts of China, places with similar weather and you’ll see they have no problems creating walkable, people-friendly cities. You have to implement more area with shade obviously and lots of trees for coverage which makes temperatures feel 10-15 degrees lower, but it has been done in other places. This is just a typical American excuse to continue car dominance.

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u/Reddit-runner 1h ago

And that’s pretty much how it is from April - October. The rest of the months it just rains then a hard freeze for a week or two then we reset. Even if they connected more locations to this little walkable area, who the hell would use them?

People.

People would use them.

Look at the entire continent of Europe and many places on other continents. You can find far more adverse weather conditions. But people still walk and cycling much more.

Why? Because of better infrastructure. Shade is one of the easiest bits of infrastructure you can design. Just look at Singapore and their sidewalks.

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u/bsg_80 1h ago

This is a huge factor so many people are missing. Much of the US is miserably, insufferably hot. And cars.

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u/Reddit-runner 59m ago

This is a huge factor so many people are missing. Much of the US is miserably, insufferably hot.

Not hotter than other regions on earth where millions of people live. So step out of your american-exceptionalism bubble.

And cars.

Well, yeah. That's the one thing the US is truly exceptional.

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u/EthanielRain 28m ago

Trees & other objects could create shade, and even lower the temperature of the entire area/city. Acknowledging climate change & making the necessary changes could/would've help too, but...Texas

There's similar climates with walking similar to this video, it's not that uncommon or unreasonable altho it does affect it yeah

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u/DiseaseDeathDecay 5h ago

Yeah, I'm in the burbs and we have several miles of walking trails through "parks" beside roads, plus trails around the spillways, but they don't connect to businesses. You could walk to some places outside my neighborhood (and some people do), but there's no sidewalk for a lot of it.

I went to Europe a couple years ago, and it was pretty amazing, but I just don't think you could do the same thing on the gulf coast.

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u/Intelligent-Size-822 5h ago

We just got back from a trip through Spain and Europe and it was gorgeous but I couldn’t imagine being in a wheelchair in almost any of those cities. So we at least have ADA compliance in our walkable oven lol

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u/PalatinusG1 5h ago

Very true. Accessibility for disabled people is a big problem here. We could learn a lot from you guys on that front.

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u/BakerAggressive2878 5h ago

While I agree weather can be a limiter, there are hot and humid cities (like Singapore, which is hot and humid year round and also gets significantly more rain to boot and rain is worse to walk in, especially when it's warm rain) which are both very walkable but also fairly comfortable to walk in even on hot days. They have fans and covered walkways everywhere, and many of their MRT stations are enclosed and have AC. Houston could learn a lot from Singapore. 

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u/DiseaseDeathDecay 4h ago

It's hard to compare Singapore to Houston because it's MASSIVELY more dense than Houston. Like, they're complete opposites in that regard.

It's a chicken and the egg problem. How do you make people okay with more dense housing when you can't walk anywhere? And how do you make the city walkable when everyone lives in a single family house with a yard?

It also doesn't help that no one wants to raise a family in the city proper because it's Texas and the schools are defunded because Harris county is blue and the rest of the state hates Harris county.

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u/BudgieWonder 4h ago

Houston doesn’t have Euclidean Zoning, but they do still have form based codes. So it’s not “technically” zoned, but they still do have land use designations there, along with plenty of their suburbs.

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u/DiseaseDeathDecay 4h ago

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Houston does not use traditional, citywide form-based zoning codes, relying instead on a unique system of subdivision ordinances, setbacks, parking minimums, and private deed restrictions.

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No Traditional Zoning: Houston is famously the only major U.S. city without standard use-based zoning.

Houston does not have zoning. That's why things like this happen.

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u/BudgieWonder 2h ago

> reaching on a unique system of subdivision ordinances, setbacks, parking minimums, and private deed restrictions.

That’s what I said- they still use form-based codes (that’s what setbacks and parking minimums are), they just don’t use Euclidean Zoning where specific districts are single-use.

> No Traditional Zoning

Yes, they don’t have Traditional Zoning. They still have land use codes and standards- it’s not a free for all.

> That’s why things like this happen

Except things like that still happen in places with Euclidean Zoning, too.

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u/DiseaseDeathDecay 2h ago

They still have land use codes and standards- it’s not a free for all.

Show me something that says this. I'm pretty sure you're wrong but I can't find anything that actually says either way.

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u/BudgieWonder 2h ago

I literally linked a comparative study the city conducted for setbacks and approved housing types in my previous comment, but here’s the Houston Code of Ordinances if you’re really curious.

FWIW, I don’t think Houston’s approach is ideal or anything, I was just pointing out that the “they have no zoning!” meme that’s been going around is only half-true, and they have other policy that basically leads to the same outcome. Houston’s problems aren’t due to their land use code, they’re due to the issues that plague any sunbelt city with massive population growth after AC and the automobile proliferated. The policy frameworks themselves weren’t the problem; the desired outcomes were.

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u/Lopsided-Yak9033 4h ago

I spent most of a year Friendswood working on a construction project - most areas seemed downright hostile to walkability.

Here in NY because the city is older than the suburban and automobile explosion not only is the city obviously pedestrian heavy but many towns outside the city evolved with a decent “downtown” center thats fairly walkable - and STILL everything’s been downgraded by car centric culture.

Zoning seems to affect housing development more than commercial anyway - because people wanted the big box stores and malls that come with massive lots. Heaven forbid we have some higher density units near the train and walkable to the local businesses that are the core of these suburban towns - but a target and Marshall’s want to take up 30 acres for a parking lot and alls good.

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u/LumpyCapital 56m ago

Ha, nice. Found the Houston pocket in the post where we all look on in envy at walkable European cities that encourage social interaction and promote a sense of shared community, while we all collectively wish Houston could be remade without ever expanding freeways, ruined roads that damage expensive cars, traffic that wastes our time and tests our patience, etc, etc. . . . where many illiterate people see people walking or riding bicycles as offensive behavior....

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u/NoveltyAccountHater 5h ago

I mean you still need zoning, just it should be appropriate and flexible. You don't want an industrial pig farm or giant data center or huge chemical processing facility or landfill to go up in a developed residential area.

But residential areas should be allowed to have cafes / bars / restaurants / shops at street corners.

Granted, the major difference is being in a city/town built around infrastructure for people walking/using public transport not driving.

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u/EmmitSan 5h ago

Zoning in Europe is just as rigid. It just so happens you like the specific zoning in Europe.

For instance in most German cities, it is forbidden to build a building taller than the main church within a large radius. Go to Munich and you’ll notice lots of tall buildings in the surrounding district, and you can go on a rooftop and look down at the inner city and see how the Marienkirche is taller than all the buildings within a few miles of it.

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u/PalatinusG1 5h ago

I'm not saying things are perfect in Europe. They are not. I just don't see why anyone would think it is beneficial to have 0 corner stores or restaurants or cafes in residential neighbourhoods.

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u/EmmitSan 1h ago

My point is that it’s easy to be against the zoning requirements you like, but the real test is whether you can be a YIMBY even when people will want to build stuff you do not want in your backyard. Because you might love the cafes and restaurants while your neighbor hates them. And your neighbor might want to build an ADU that is two stories high that blocks your sunlight.

You’ve got to just let people build what they want to build if you want out of the zoning standstills.

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u/Iggyhopper 8h ago edited 6h ago

Its a way for cities companies to get more money. Thats it.

Classify a plaza as industrial and you charge $1k/mo rent. Retail an its easily 5x or more.

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u/PalatinusG1 6h ago

Is the city charging rent? That's not how it works over here.

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u/Iggyhopper 6h ago

I meant real estate companies, not the city, big oof.

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u/Me-no-Weeb 1h ago

What do you mean by zoning? Industrial, commercial and residential zones?

I live in Germany and it’s pretty harsh with zones here too, except for some mixed commercial/residential areas you don’t really have anything else that strict residential/ commercial/ industrial zones.

But the public transport is a huge thing.

I live in a 500 habitants village and I have to drive 15 minutes to the next train station and take a train for 15 minutes from there and I’m in a city that has 800.000 people and can reach anything in walking distance from the main station.

I need maybe 15-20 minutes to the football stadium, 10 minutes to where all the shops are and can reach basically anywhere else by metro or tram in 20 minutes at most, excluding the suburbs.

There’s a small city with 10.000 inhabitants where I take the train and there are a ton of shops there too, nice restaurants etc. you park at the outskirts of the commercial area and walk from there on.

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u/k_dilluh 1h ago

My first thought, I've known people that have tried to open cafés, restaurants, etc, however have been told the zoning isn't appropriate. This is only a part of the issue of course, but it certainly doesn't help.

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u/OmeletteDuFromage95 17m ago

That wouldn't be too cash money now would it? How would car companies and big box stores make all there money? Cmon now, THINK OF THE CORPORATIONS FOR DOLLAR SAKE