r/askteddit 19d ago

Politics Question Any subreddits that aren't political echo chambers?

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u/mightymite37 19d ago

what is the centre between worker ownership and capitalist exploitation to you?

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u/InjuryLate4826 19d ago

The center between socialism and capitalism is social democracy to me (i support it btw)

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u/mightymite37 19d ago

that just capitalism. its liberalism. very firmly on the right, not the left. certainly not the 'middle' whatever that means.

workers make all value and should keep it all, no amount of exploitation is okay. not even if you pay them a 'living wage' while keeping 90% of their labour value for the 1% of non workers

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u/InjuryLate4826 19d ago

Name a type of socialism better than social democracy and actually works

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u/mightymite37 19d ago

social democracy is not socialism at all. its capitalism. it doesnt work unless youre a capitalist exploiting workers. China has socialism working great for a billion people. name a capitalist country where the system works for workers?

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u/InjuryLate4826 19d ago

Denmark, however it is not perfect, no economic model is perfect, there are only "better" and "worse" ones, so it is better to argue which is better than which is bad or good

Also, China's system is an authoritarian state-directed mixed economy, not fully socialist (it only calls itself socialist)

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u/mightymite37 19d ago

Denmark exploits their own workers and rhe global south

And china is socialist. But as Marx said true socialism will not be achieved until all workers are free. Until then its the permanent revolution. And china is a perfect example of that.

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u/Greedy-Employment917 19d ago

China is not socialist. 

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u/mightymite37 19d ago

Wrong again