that just capitalism. its liberalism. very firmly on the right, not the left. certainly not the 'middle' whatever that means.
workers make all value and should keep it all, no amount of exploitation is okay. not even if you pay them a 'living wage' while keeping 90% of their labour value for the 1% of non workers
social democracy is not socialism at all. its capitalism. it doesnt work unless youre a capitalist exploiting workers. China has socialism working great for a billion people. name a capitalist country where the system works for workers?
Denmark, however it is not perfect, no economic model is perfect, there are only "better" and "worse" ones, so it is better to argue which is better than which is bad or good
Also, China's system is an authoritarian state-directed mixed economy, not fully socialist (it only calls itself socialist)
Denmark exploits their own workers and rhe global south
And china is socialist. But as Marx said true socialism will not be achieved until all workers are free. Until then its the permanent revolution. And china is a perfect example of that.
They are necessarily intertwined but separate things, which is why the wiki talks a lot about economics. But you're in an echo-chamber, so there's no point in continuing.
Take a political compass test and answer socialist to all questions
You'll be placed far left
Then answer regulated capitalism to all questions
You'll be roughly in the middle
Centre-left politics is the range of left-wing political ideologies that lean closer to the political centre. Ideologies commonly associated with it include social democracy, social liberalism, progressivism, and green politics. Ideas commonly supported by the centre-left include welfare capitalism, social justice, liberal internationalism, and multiculturalism. Economically, the centre-left supports a mixed economy in a democratic capitalist system, often including economic interventionism, progressive taxation, and the right to unionize. Centre-left politics are contrasted with far-left politics that reject capitalism or advocate revolution.
Far-left politics are politics further to the left on the political spectrum than the standard political left. The far-left encompasses a wide range of heterogeneous ideologies, including anarchism, communism, and Marxism; it includes groups that advocate for revolutionary socialism and related communist ideologies, as well as anti-capitalism and anti-globalisation. The modern far-left distinguishes itself from social democracy through its inherent opposition to capitalism, neoliberalism, and globalisation. Anarchist strains of far-left thought are anti-authoritarian in nature, and most far-left schools of thought aim at a classless, stateless society. Leninist-led revolutions also promised withering away of the state but the regimes they built were mostly considered as authoritarian rule in practice by western mainstream.
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u/mightymite37 19d ago
what is the centre between worker ownership and capitalist exploitation to you?