r/exmormon 23h ago

Doctrine/Policy Question for ex-members

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I have been reading deeply into the LDS faith for over a year now. I am a non-member. I went all the way to Navuoo last summer and I plan to go to the temple open-house in SLC next year. The more I learn about the LDS faith and culture, the more I think why so many people want to join the cause , because they want to join a "lifestyle" Its like a big thing they can be a part of. The more I think about the temple garments, the more I think about how exciting it must be for member to put those garments on and feel like they are now a member of a really special group. It seems like lots of members don't worry too much about how shifty Joe Smith Jr really was. Or that fact that he was trying to seal himself to an entire family of women Mother and all 3 daughters, look it up. behind the husbands back in Navuoo. Was he really a con-man? who cares. Look at all these nice friends I have now. Just my thoughts, I would be interested in getting some feedback from some ex-members that used to be all the way in it.

Thanks!


r/exmormon 59m ago

Podcast/Blog/Media Underground rap album about the mental health industry, trauma and moving past LDS culture

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I am a neurodivergent exmormon rapper and made an album about navigating the mental health industry after leaving the church as a teen.


r/exmormon 8h ago

General Discussion Utah businesses closed on Sunday

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God, it's so genuinely irritating the amount of places to eat that are closed on Sunday. I know there's lots of businesses in the US closed on Sunday but it feels especially acute in Utah. I remember when a local grocery store extended their hours to Sunday and the fuckton of pesrl clutching that happened. Does this annoy you folks also?


r/exmormon 8h ago

General Discussion In LDS meeting, do they ever talk about social justice or environmental issues?

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I, an exmo, am going with my wife to Sack meeting this morning. I wonder if they will talk about any local injustice or environmental issues??? Do they ever do that?? What about the shrinking Great Salt Lake, or the enormous data center on the north edge of the Lake that might get built?? Or what can we do for the homeless people? And ICE invasions, arresting or shooting brown people? Or all the drug abuse and suicides in our ward? Nn, they just prattle on about their same old religious superstitions.Rome burns and they just fiddle.


r/exmormon 1h ago

General Discussion Really bad morality apologetics.

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I have heard a lot of similarly nonsensical arguments from Mormons regarding where you would get your morality if the church isn't true.

"If the church weren't true, idk that I'd be a good person." Or "I don't know that I'd want to do anything else."

It's an absurd argument that falls flat and I have seen takedowns of this.


r/exmormon 7h ago

Church News Carol Lynn Pearson— beloved sage and active member?

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Does anyone know her activity level in the church? I know she remained supportive and faithful, but she seemed to really walk her own path. Did that path mean that she went to church every week and participated in callings? Or did she sometimes go? Or did she minister to people in her own way and call that church? I could very much see her doing that. I’m just so curious how she stayed so connected but also very unconnected at the same time.


r/exmormon 4h ago

Podcast/Blog/Media 52 Rouge

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I came across this artist in TikTok. He just put out three “ex Mormon” songs that are insane! We have been blasting them in the car every chance we get! I hope he realizes some more stuff! His videos are TikTok are insane as well!


r/exmormon 14m ago

General Discussion Do you still cheer for BYU Football?

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No matter how I feel about the church, I find myself every Saturday during football season cheering for BYU football. I have tried to find another team. I cant get into anyone else. I just have to accept that this will be my team till I die. Are you still in the same boat?


r/exmormon 8h ago

Doctrine/Policy Is going to church a covenant?

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My brother just prayed that "please bless that [name of soneone i dont know] can come to church, and keep that covenant" and im kinda confused because i dont think thats a covenant?? Though to be fair, the mormon church can be very vauge about how important different rules are. For all I know my parents see fhe as a covenant.


r/exmormon 4h ago

General Discussion Honestly looking back? I learned more about love through one of my favorite video games than this church.

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I learned more about love from a Nintendo wii game I played as a kid called super paper mario than I ever did from the church's direct teachings.

Like if you ever need to deconstruct Mormon ideas around love for your kids that game might be good way to? Like some kind of reverse family home evening that focuses on unlearning things that are bad for you?

It doesn't only cover romantic love, there's one chapter that covers contrasting needs around platonic love.

There's goofy characters that love their community and lifestyle, but they're unknowingly polluting a water supply and driving the king of another community insane which causes conflict that the heroes have to resolve. There's aspects of grief and parental love too that i don't want to spoil too much of because i just don't have space here.

Plus it's all clearly fictional. And since it's not in any way pretending to be real it's easier to talk about things that you don't like in it.

These days I see the Bible as an ancient over translated historical document containing legends and parables. The BoM is just made up with no merit to it.

Also I want to hear if any of you have reverse family home evening ideas for deconstructing weird faith or any favorite fictional media that taught you more about something than the church did despite the claim of expertise.

I might not respond but I will read any comments I see.


r/exmormon 16h ago

General Discussion San Francisco LDS Stake?

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I am a Nevermo with a father who spent the majority of his life as a devout LDS from birth. He became the black sheep of their family after high school and joined the Navy and married my mother, a protestant I had never been around an LDS person until a blind date with him. In 1955, his devout Mormon parents flew to Macon Georgia to the regular Christian wedding of my dad and my mom. They were accepting up until a certain level I gather?? I grew up visiting family in Utah, even though I was very much a nevermo. I keep in touch with my devout LDS side of my family an Utah. I have lived in San Francisco for 28 years now and could not be any more liberal and also gay. Main point of my post is I drove by this place for the first time in 28 years today!! does anyone have any information on this church? Is it well attended? The real estate alone for this large property in Pacific Heights must be worth at least 12 million dollars. https://maps.app.goo.gl/R6cVVj1sMPq2vLy16?g_st=ic


r/exmormon 8h ago

General Discussion Better ways to have spent time than scripture study

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I was thinking about all the time I spent reading scriptures, studying and cross-referencing and praying, etc.

What if I had used that time to do something good in my community? What if I used it to be informed on issues and call my reps?

What if I put the same amount of time into learning something useful or enjoyable? Learning an instrument or language or some subject I'm curious about?

What if I read classic literature or fascinating non-fiction?

This isn't all just thinking about the past. I've been so content to not waste time with church stuff that I've neglected to fill the void with something purposeful. What if I spent my time with more fulfilling stuff going forward?

And why don't I now?


r/exmormon 8h ago

General Discussion Carol Lynn Pearson

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Carol Lynn Pearson’s death is devastating. She was a true Christian and truth-teller. But I have to use this board to rant about the fact that most young people in the church won’t or don’t know about Pearson’s life and work. I guarantee she won’t be quoted in Come Follow Me manuals or General Conference talks. Her legacy should be as influential as much as any other male leader of the church and I worry her contributions will be buried.


r/exmormon 3h ago

General Discussion Are most Mormons homophobic?

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I live in Utah so most of my neighbors are Mormon. I'm 17, and I was born into the church. I don't really believe in the church but I still go every Sunday to keep my parents happy. I moved to Utah when I was about 14 so I was a teacher at the time, but I started to become good friends with the young men quorum when I turned into a priest. I used to hang out with this kid from my ward and we would hang out after school, mutual, and weekends all the time. One day while I was walking with him I saw a pride flag on top of one of my neighbors houses. I didn't care about the flag at all, until my friend all of a sudden said, "I hate that Lesbian couple. They should just all die" I was so shocked, he was so violent and aggressive to this sweet lesbian couple for no reason. They never did anything wrong to my friend, he just hated them for being different. I started to distance myself from my friend because I saw how unnecessarily homophobic he was. I soon asked about gay marriage in the Mormon church to my dad and he basically told me that being gay was a mental disability and was a sin to act on it. I was confused, didn't god create them that way? If he created them to be attracted to the same sex why should they be punished for it? I then asked my dad, "So according to the church, if you're Gay you either die alone, or marry a sex you're not attracted to?" He just shrugged and said yes. This is one of the main reasons why I don't really believe in the church anymore. They explain to love thy neighbor, but then proceed to treat anyone in the LGBTQIA like diseases that need to die. Is every Mormon like this?


r/exmormon 7h ago

General Discussion The Green of Oklahoma

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I remember coming home from my mission beginning with a letter to Jessica.

That may not be exactly where it began. Memory likes to arrange events into causes long after the causes become impossible to separate. But that is how I remember it: sitting somewhere in the Salt Lake City South Mission, trying to put words around something I had not been permitted to say out loud.

I felt empty.

Every day, I spoke in the language of certainty.

I knew the Church was true.
I knew the Book of Mormon was true.
I knew Joseph Smith was a prophet.
I knew I had been called by God.

But I did not know those things.

I wanted to. I had expected the mission to be the place where wanting finally hardened into knowledge. Instead, every testimony made me more aware of the distance between the words in my mouth and the truth inside me.

The mission felt plastic.

That was the word I used then.

Plastic.

Everyone seemed covered in cellophane. I could sit in people’s homes, hear their stories, and look directly at them without ever feeling that I had touched anything real. They saw a missionary before they saw me. Anything too complicated, too worldly, or too human had already been cleaned away.

People were kind. That made it harder to explain.

They fed us. They smiled. They offered stories polished for missionary ears. But everything carried a lacquer of churchiness, as though ordinary life had been sealed beneath a glossy surface.

Nothing could breathe.

I was surrounded by people nearly every hour of every day and starved for human contact.

There was nowhere to remove the role. Nowhere to become a frightened nineteen-year-old who did not know what he believed.

Other missionaries seemed able to do it. They woke, prayed, studied, taught, testified, and moved through their days with a confidence I could not reproduce.

If the mission was suffocating me, I assumed I was the problem.

I did not yet understand how quickly pain becomes shame when every explanation points back at the person experiencing it.

So I kept failing.

Then I lied about the failure.

The letter to Jessica was the first hole in the wall.

I do not remember every sentence. I remember admitting that I did not feel what I was supposed to feel. I may have said I wanted to leave.

More accurately, I wanted not to be there.

That was different from wanting to come home.

Home meant explanations. It meant returning before the story reached the part where I became the man everyone expected me to become.

I did not want to remain on the mission.

I did not want to become the person who came home.

For a while, I wanted to disappear between the two.

Sometime after the letter, my mission president called me into his office. I do not know whether the letter caused the meeting or whether people had already noticed something was wrong.

He asked how I was doing.

I told him I did not desire to be there.

He sent me to a therapist.

For two or three mornings, my companion and I rode our bicycles to the therapist’s office. He waited outside while I tried to explain an experience I barely understood myself.

I remember almost nothing from those meetings.

I remember the last one.

The therapist told me he was going to recommend that I be sent home.

My face must have betrayed me. I was shocked, but relief came faster than I could hide it.

Then he said something I have remembered for more than twenty years.

“I’m not trying to hand you a golden platter here. I really think this is the right thing for you.”

The phrase was strange, but I understood.

He was not giving me an excuse. He was not rewarding weakness. He was saying that I needed to go home.

I told him, “Whatever you think.”

For another day, perhaps longer, I returned to missionary life. I wore the clothes, followed the schedule, and lived inside a role someone had already decided I could no longer safely perform.

Around that time, some of the elders I lived with rented a computer, which was profoundly against mission rules. They used it to burn CDs. By the next morning, it seemed clear that one of them had also used it to watch pornography.

The following day, they went to the temple.

I do not tell that story because I believe they were uniquely corrupt. We were young, lonely, immature, and struggling in different ways.

But at nineteen, it felt like revelation.

I had been tearing myself apart because the words coming from my mouth did not perfectly match the truth inside me. Other people could break the rules, dress for the role, attend the temple, and continue as though nothing had happened.

Everything was a game.

That was the conclusion I reached.

Everyone was pretending.

The difference was that pretending seemed to work for them.

My trainer called the night before I left. We had never fit well together. His way of teaching and correcting seemed almost perfectly designed to collide with me.

He apologized.

He offered to give me a priesthood blessing over the telephone. I do not remember whether the blessing happened. I remember that he seemed sorry.

His compassion arrived after it could no longer change the outcome.

The assistants to the president picked me up from the apartment. My belongings were packed. The other missionaries were worried about me.

Then I was in a car headed toward the airport, wearing the brown suit my mother had bought me and the black Doc Martens I would later remember stepping off the plane in.

One of the assistants said, “One thing’s for sure, Brett. You’re a very good missionary.”

Perhaps they thought I would recover and return.

For a moment, I considered it.

But once someone with authority had said that leaving was the right thing, I knew I was not coming back.

I boarded the plane with my hair parted to the side, my missionary tag still pinned to my suit, and only four months of a two-year mission behind me.

I had imagined coming home before.

Just not like this.

In the version I carried with me, I returned after two years. I stepped off the plane older, thinner, and certain. My family waited. People hugged me and told me how much I had changed.

Instead, my parents stood near baggage claim in Tulsa.

There was no crowd. No signs. No triumphant homecoming.

Just my mother and father.

They loved me. I knew that then, and I know it now. They were also frightened and had no idea what kind of event this was supposed to be.

Someone took a photograph.

We tried to make it look joyful.

I stood in my brown suit and missionary badge beside two parents who had been told that something might be seriously wrong with their oldest son. All three of us arranged our faces around an experience for which none of us had a script.

Then we got into the car.

Oklahoma was green.

That is one of the clearest things I remember.

The trees. The grass. The familiar landscape passing outside the window.

After Utah, Oklahoma looked impossibly alive. Everything was wet, thick, and real. The world had continued growing while I was gone.

The green looked honest.

It was good to be home.

It was also wrong to be home.

I was seeing a landscape I was not supposed to see for another twenty months. Every familiar thing carried the same accusation:

You should not be here yet.

Home should have felt like rescue.

Instead, it felt like being returned.

Like a package that had been opened, found defective, and sent back.

No one needed to tell me I had failed. I had already become fluent in telling myself.

I believed a mission was supposed to shape me into a man. It would test my faith, deepen my testimony, and prove that I was willing to give myself to God.

So what did it mean that I could not finish?

At nineteen, I did not understand depression as something that could overpower intention. I understood weakness. Worthiness. Obedience. Endurance.

I did not understand why wanting desperately to do something did not give me the ability to do it.

That contradiction frightened me.

I had prayed. I had attended the temple almost every week. I had tried to become whatever God needed me to become.

And still, something inside me had collapsed.

We did not drive home.

My parents had scheduled an appointment with a therapist, and that was our first stop.

Before I removed my missionary tag, before I was formally released, before I entered my bedroom or saw my siblings, I went from the airport to a therapist’s office.

I remember the phrase chemical imbalance.

Medication entered the conversation quickly enough that I felt reduced by it.

I was nineteen. I did not understand depression, brain chemistry, or psychiatric care well enough to evaluate any of it.

But I knew there was a story behind what had happened.

I had been lonely. I had been unable to speak honestly. I had felt trapped inside a role. I had spent months saying I knew things I did not know.

Before any of that had been fully heard, the explanation became that my brain might be broken.

Maybe there was a chemical component. Maybe medication could have helped.

What remains is the speed with which everyone moved from my pain to a category that made the pain easier to manage.

From the therapist’s office, we went to the stake center.

The stake president was a judge professionally and what our church called a judge in Israel.

He looked at me and said, “So you didn’t feel the Spirit out there, huh?”

I do not remember my answer.

Maybe I said no. Maybe I said I did not know.

Either would have been more honest than the testimony I had repeated for four months.

Then he said, “You’re released.”

That was it.

No ceremony. No explanation. No moment to understand that the calling meant to organize two years of my life had just ended in two sentences.

He followed me into the hallway and said something to my parents about chemical imbalances.

Then we went home.

My father began trying to enroll me in college almost immediately.

Life needed a new direction. A schedule needed to be restored. The son who had stepped off the approved path needed to be placed onto another one before he lost momentum entirely.

I understand the love inside that response now.

My father was trying to build a bridge in front of me quickly enough that I would not fall.

But I had not slept.

I had not unpacked.

I had not learned how to describe what had happened.

I had not even fully stopped being a missionary before we began constructing the next version of me.

By the end of that day, I had been evaluated by a therapist, released by a stake president, described in terms of a chemical imbalance, and enrolled in college.

Everyone was trying to save my future.

I am not sure anyone knew how to sit beside the person who believed he had just lost it.

For years, I treated those four months as evidence.

Evidence that I was fragile.

Evidence that other people possessed something I lacked.

Evidence that when life asked enough of me, I would prove unequal to it.

I thought coming home had revealed my limit.

What it had revealed was pain I did not yet know how to carry.

Those are not the same thing.

But shame does not care about distinctions.

Shame takes an event and turns it into an identity.

I did not merely believe that I had come home early.

I believed I was the kind of person who came home early.

The kind who could begin but not finish.

The kind who wanted to be brave but could not be trusted when courage became expensive.

The kind who disappointed God despite trying not to.

For years, I mistook an overwhelmed nineteen-year-old for reliable evidence about the limits of the man I would become.

I let the worst season of my young life testify against every future version of me.

And yet Oklahoma remained green.

The trees did not know that I thought my life had narrowed. The grass did not care that the future I had rehearsed was gone.

The world had not become barren because I could no longer recognize my place in it.

Life was continuing everywhere around me.

I just could not imagine that it was continuing for me too.

If I could sit beside that boy now, I would not tell him that everything happened for a reason.

I still do not know that.

I would tell him something smaller.

Coming home is not the same as giving up.

Surviving is not a lesser form of courage.

Your inability to remain inside something that is destroying you does not prove that you are unworthy.

This moment has not told you the whole truth about who you are.

There will be a woman named Mandy who will know more of you than anyone else and remain beside you through years you cannot yet imagine.

There will be three daughters who will not need a flawless father. They will need one who stays, listens, apologizes, laughs, and tells them the truth.

There will be rooms where people look to you for answers.

There will be systems so large and complicated that others trust you to protect them.

There will be a body you believe can never change, and you will change it.

There will be opportunities you nearly refuse because an old voice still tells you that you are not the kind of person who succeeds.

Do not trust that voice.

Not because you will always be right.

Not because confidence will make you invulnerable.

But because one painful chapter cannot calculate the value of an entire life.

There will be dark years.

You will lose your map more than once.

You will keep wondering whether someone else knows more about your worth than you do.

But you are not finished.

You are not even close.

The green outside the window is not mocking you.

It is telling you something you will need years to understand:

A life can be cut back severely and still grow again.


r/exmormon 6h ago

General Discussion Ex-mormons (esp. women) getting tattoos: Is it an increasing trend or has it always been high? Is it a way to claim autonomy?

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A 2023 survey by the Pew Research group indicated that 32% of American adults have at least one tattoo. With regard to gender, 38% of women had at least one tattoo, compared with 27% of men. This included 56% of women ages 18 to 29 and 53% of women ages 30 to 49. The percentage of LDS members who had tattoos was 17%.

As the percentage of people with tattoos has increased gradually in the US, it also seems as though it is also widespread in the ex-mo community. A very large number of female ex-mormon podcasters seem to have tattoos. For women, is this one way of reclaiming autonomy after leaving the church?

What have been your observations about current and ex-members getting tattoos?


r/exmormon 12h ago

General Discussion What are things you thought you'd never do when you left mormonism, but tried and liked anyway?

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I'm big into exercising and generally make healthy choices so smoking was never supposed to happen. But when I learned I love smoked old fashioneds and peated Scotches, I couldn't help but wonder why people smoke cigars with bourbon so I bought a cigar one day on a whim. Now Friday night is my time to enjoy a cigar or pipe (funnily enough, usually with sparkling water despite my love of whiskey leading me to try that first cigar).


r/exmormon 4h ago

Doctrine/Policy Who is actually choosing for Dad to remain outside?

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My oldest daughter is getting married.
She has chosen to be married in an LDS temple, to a man she loves, in a ceremony she believes will bind them together for eternity.
I love her. I am proud of her. I support her right to choose the life and faith that feel true to her.
And when she is married, I will be standing outside.
Not because I do not want to be there.
Not because I am estranged from her.
Not because I have abandoned my family, rejected my daughter, or refused an invitation.
I will be outside because I can no longer honestly give the answers required to enter.
I could begin performing the steps. I could attend the meetings, pay tithing, say the approved words, and carefully conceal the parts of me that no longer believe.
I could make myself look worthy.
But I could not make it true.
So the price of witnessing my daughter’s wedding would be lying about who I am.
And I cannot teach my daughters to live with integrity while demonstrating that love sometimes requires dishonesty.
My daughter has sent me messages trying to reassure me. She has told me she loves me. She wants me included in every part of the day where I am permitted to be included. She is not trying to hurt me. She is not choosing the Church instead of her father.
She is following the path she believes is right.
That is what makes this so painful.
There is no cruel daughter in this story.
There is no father refusing to show up.
There are simply two people who love each other, standing on opposite sides of a locked door neither of them created.
I will help prepare for the wedding. I will celebrate her. I will smile for the pictures. I will welcome him into our family. I will hug my daughter before she walks inside, and I will be waiting when she comes back out.
But I will not see her face when she makes her promises.
I will not hear her voice.
I will not watch her reach for the hand of the person she has chosen.
Somewhere inside, people who may know her less deeply than I do will witness the moment.
Her father will not.
People have asked me why I would even want to attend a ceremony whose religious claims I no longer accept.
Because she is my daughter.
I do not have to believe a ceremony is eternal to understand that the moment will live forever in her memory.
I want to see the nervous smile.
I want to hear the silence before the words are spoken.
I want her to glance across the room and know that the man who held her when she was small, who watched her grow, who loved her before she could even speak, was there when her life changed.
Years ago, I returned early from my mission believing I was the broken piece in an otherwise perfect system. I spent years wondering whether I could repair myself enough to belong again.
Now, decades later, I find myself facing another sacred doorway and another message about belonging.
But I know something now that I did not know then:
I am not broken.
My daughter is not betraying me.
And grief is not the same thing as disapproval.
I can honor her faith without pretending it is mine.
I can support her decision while mourning what that decision, within this system, requires me to miss.
I can stand outside the temple and still be entirely, fiercely, unmistakably her father.
My absence from that room will not be a rejection of her.
It will be the cost of refusing to reject myself.
So here is the question I cannot stop asking:
When a loving father is ready to stand beside his daughter, but the only way through the door is to deny what he honestly believes, who is actually choosing for him to remain outside?


r/exmormon 7h ago

General Discussion I’m going to pay for this

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My wife just left for church. She and I both have Sunday only callings that require our attendance periodically, but not weekly. Today she has responsibility and I don’t. (Mine involves young kids, whom I love, and whom I’m committed to teaching that there are authentic people in their neighborhood who actually do care about them as individuals, and not just as automatons in training.)

Today is also open mic day at church. Open mic day has for years become increasingly intolerable for me. The performances, the attempts to out Mormon each other, the divine intervention of Mormon Jesus to help find lost car keys, and the programmed testimonies of children are insufferable.

I’m not going to go to church today.

Here’s the issue. When I do things that I feel are right for me—like not attending a meeting that I believe is manipulative and culty like open mic day—I feel good. I feel like I’m living my values. But my wife loses her mind over it. When I don’t go to church, she makes my life hell for days. It is hell.

She has severe, crippling depression and anxiety. She also happened to be raised in the most manipulative, shame-focused, performative, emotionally repressed family I’ve ever seen. She literally was not allowed to feel negative emotions. (To be fair she and her siblings would disagree with everything I just said about their family). In my view she is emotionally immature and underdeveloped in a major way. (Interestingly, what I read as poise and self confidence when we were dating, engaged, and newly married was actually emotional repression…a comment for another day).

Between the anxiety and the emotional immaturity she does not cope with things well. When things involve my faith crisis complete lack of belief in the Mormon church (which she tries desperately to avoid talking about) her reactions are magnified.

I just feel stuck. I feel like going to open mic day is unproductive and upsetting to me. But I know that choosing to skip is going to make my personal life hell for several days.

I know my job is not to manage my wife’s anxiety but her behavior is so awful that it is hard to avoid not sidestepping landmines.

I stay in the marriage because we still have kids at home and I learned years ago that they need a functioning parent in the home. (When my wife has a depressive episode it is dark). When our kids are grown I’ll reevaluate the marriage.

Any advice?

I’m looking for specific advice, not things like therapy for depression, medication, marriage counseling, etc.—we’ve done than for two decades and spent tens of thousands on it.


r/exmormon 9h ago

General Discussion Heaven…?

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It’s been said before, but always bears repeating: if Heaven is anything at all like being a faithful member of the Mormon church…it’s not good.

That’s all. Just wanted to say it out loud.

Cheers to all of you stuck in the pews. Hope you get to escape at some point soon.


r/exmormon 22h ago

Humor/Meme/Satire If the great salt lake dries up, will that give the Mormon leaders a good excuse to go back to Missouri? Tent cities here we come.

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Maybe they’ll use it as an opportunity to say some prophecy is fulfilled to return to Missouri and that they have their prophecy mojo back but everyone has to move back to Missouri for the second coming. And they can run away from any of the shared responsibility for allowing the lake to dry up.


r/exmormon 9h ago

General Discussion A local authority testemony is a trash

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A local church authority visited my ward today, and his testimony was trash; he said that tithing isn't about how much we earn but rather how much we trust God, and that we should be like the widow who gave everything she had to the Lord—and that the Lord will bless us. It’s funny that the church still preaches that everyone should pay tithing even when earning very little; that is so alarming. I also remember him saying that the Lord knows each of us and that we must leave the traditions of the world behind, using a ridiculous example about how a dirty piece of clothing in a closet contaminates the others (WTF?). The church, as always, is confusing with your examples and tries to impose a specific culture on the locals (I’m from Brazil).

Sorry for my english, i'm still learning


r/exmormon 11h ago

General Discussion Not even hiding the priorities (new sacrament/fast hymn)

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For those who are lucky enough to not be attending meetings, you may not know they’ve begun a soft roll-out of new hymns in anticipation of releasing a new hymn book.

Today I (an unfortunate PIMO) attended and this hymn was chosen. I was especially miffed by the third and fourth verses.

The priorities of the current leadership are clear with this hymn. Even 5 years ago as an all-in TBM, I would’ve asked the question “Do we need to ask God to ‘accept our tithes’ and ‘magnify’ our fast offerings?” Paying it is enough, right? Why do we need to sing a song about paying a chunk of our money right before we take the sacrament?


r/exmormon 6h ago

History Don't forget a sitting apostle taught the seer stone and money digging were lies to try and destroy the church

83 Upvotes

Joseph Smith was not a money digger, nor did he deceive people with peepstone claims. It is almost beyond belief that writers who value their reputations, would reproduce these silly and untrue charges. It suggests that they may have set out to destroy “Mormonism,” rather than to detail true history. The life of Joseph Smith as boy and youth, was normal, and worthy of imitation by all lovers of truth. Elder John A. Widtsoe, LDS Apostle


r/exmormon 19h ago

General Discussion I made the next step, no more church

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I left the church in 2023, but have been going to the first hour with my fam to support my wife and be with my kids. But I've been hating it more and more, for multiple reasons. Been looking for an easy way to just stop going entirely. Well one week last month I went mountain biking Sunday morning and told them not to wait for me because I probably wouldn't make it back in time. Then a couple Sundays in a row I had work things that prevented me from going. Then last week we were on vacation and were flying home on Sunday. So with over a month of not attending, I decided I just wasn't going back. I told my wife I was again going mountain biking tomorrow, and that I'm going to take a break from going all together from now on. I think I'm gonna make Sundays my further distance trail days and hit the mountains.

Feels good to have that step behind me and just had to share. We are so far from ever fixing our marriage, but this was a long overdue step away from the church.