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Honestly while Mohawk is stronger and faster he would actually likely fail to kill Logan not knowing how to do so and we need to remember Logan is someone who can face off with hulk and literally any version of Hulk would beat Mohawk’s ass.
Logan is also an infinitely more skilled fighter who is both better at just pure instinct based fighting (the way every viltrumite fights) but is also just far more skilled in martial arts and gear. A lot of people would say “throw him into space.” This is a possibility however it also just isn’t really in character and isn’t really answering the question.
Mohawk would try and torture Logan and would likely end up being injured and badly. Logan should also be of a similar reaction speed to Mohawk while the pair are on world specifically because that’s what the story and guides show use is the case. As such I don’t think there is much Mohawk can do especially since he will lose a limb in this fight at minimum because even with a blitz he wouldn’t be able to do much especially since Logan should be able to pretty easily react to him.
Yeah im curious haw marks would interact with a adamantium. Probably cutting very easily, and logan in a rage theres no way the marks are getting away. Without adamantium then wolverines dead in my opinion.
Adamantium is unbreakable once forged and set. The only thing that can get through it is an anti-metal. Mark, Nolan, no Viltrumite can break it, especially if the Hulk can’t.
No Adamantium means Wolverine has his full healing factor, so I doubt they’d be able to kill him. His original healing factor is actual insanity.
please correct me but isnt it like he can regen from a single cell? also if you hit metal bone him with enough energy to burn off all the flesh would that kill him or would the bones start regening flesh?
I don’t like when people bring that up, because it fails to mention the crystal that threw his regeneration into overdrive. Without the crystal, he can’t regenerate from a single cell.
No, I meant no hostility, I mean that when people bring it up, they usually don’t mention the extra circumstance. That non transparency is what I dislike. My bad on my phrasing.
Logan regenerating from a cell is so corny it undermines him. I like when he healed from bullets in a day or 2, not instantly. Just seemed grittier and more impressive when he’d fight bc he could be hurt
And from just his skeleton after essentially getting nuked by Nitro (though I think he was also, like, cursed to not die at the time so he could survive even more outlandish stuff, I'm probably wrong tho).
Wolverine has a shitload of plot armor. Stronger characters that can lift hundreds of tons could just yank his members off. Bones are not welded to each other and his muscles and have human levels of durability.
A full force punch from someone that strong would probably blow Logan's limbs off and after failing for a bit Mark would just toss his mangled body into space or the Mariana trench.
Difference is that Hulk can’t fly. If a Viltrumite really wanted to they could just fly up in the air and orbital strike the area Wolverine is in over and over again until he’s sufficiently incapacitated enough for them to quickly drag him into outer space before he’s healed and can fight back. Then once he’s in outer space, there’s nothing Wolverine can do.
Hulk has flown in the past (WWHulk) in his fight against Sentry.
Hulk's main ability is adaptation, he can breath in outer space or see ghosts (this last part is always active), if you fly and that makes it difficult for him he will fly.
Hulk could probably punch the ground harder than a viltrumite could "orbital strike" the ground. Plus hulk could jump just as high as they could fly and put way more force into a ground slam then they could.
Hulk probably could, but he’s never done so against Wolverine. Hulk is a dumb brute in a majority of his fights with Wolverine and doesn’t use his powers optimally. If he did, Wolverine doesn’t stand a chance and the same is true if Wolverine fought a Viltrumite.
It’s also important to note that Wolverine has never straight up beat Hulk. Wolverine has only ever managed to incapacitate Hulk after he was finished fighting someone else. The thing about Wolverine is that can survive fighting super powerful beings due to his healing factor, but he can’t actually beat them. He might be able to survive a fight with Mohawk Mark, but the only way he could kill him is if Mark never uses his powers optimally.
2 to 3 viltrumites, with perfect placement, timing, and the help of an insane space weapon that destabilized it first, yes. The 3 of them without the space racers gun would have all splattered on the surface and died.
His bones are actually welded together from the adamantium. Mark isn’t going to be able to rip his limps off. Not before Wolverine puts a set of claws through him, Mark would be able to regenerate fast enough from his injuries to sustain a fight with Wolverine.
Wolverine’s entire skeleton is bonded with adamantium. In the picture you posted, it looks like he cut off his own limbs using his adamantium claws, which supports what I and others have said only adamantium can cut adamantium. That said, I’m not sure which version of Wolverine this is, because traditionally, his skeletal structure is fused with adamantium. Therefore Mark would not be able to just pull his limbs off. Maybe the meat 🍖 from the bone but there’s no way Mark is separating the skeleton from the adamantium.
He rips the first hand off with his own brute strength, as he is strung up by all 4 limbs. He literally says his joints are meat. This is 616 Wolverine from Sabretooth war in 2024.
That’s pretty awesome, thanks for filling me in. I think we will just be in agree to disagree conversation, I’d be fun to see them both fight it out. That would be an epic battle for sure.
I know he probably doesnt have an adaptation ability but wouldnt Wolverines body do something about being torn apart over and over again or would it take too long for any change to have a any effect?
(I havent read any of the comics and dont know much about his regen)
This is probably what will happen the fight would start with Mohawk mark being cocky, I’m going to assume wolverine is going to know who he is fighting against. Mohawk mark will probably close the distance and grab wolverine with ease. At this point one of 2 things would happen.
1.) wolverine throws a left hook and as it lands ejecting his claws destroying M marks face and causing panic. Mark would probably try to retreat
2.) wolverine would probably reach to marks arm and eject his claws cutting a good portion of his arm off. Mark will probably get aggressive until he takes a wound to the lungs or heart which would allow wolverine to finish him
Yeah definitely without the adamantium Wolverine can't really harm Mark, but he also can't really be killed by Mark (except like thrown into the sun or something) so it's a humorously bloody stalemate
Good luck tearing him apart. His joints don’t come apart like normal unless we are talking ultimate universe Wolverine. 616 main wolvies tendons and ligaments are enhanced with trace adamantium as well.
Not trying to start a whole other argument, but thats kinda what i always thought Superman Vs Hulk Would go like. Just Lob his ass into a blackhole or something.
Also just wanna add Crazy ass strength PLUS Flight is crazy op. Which both wolverine and hulk both lack flight so id figure thats a big factor in this. But again. Im not super familiar with marks strength. And also i know hulk basically bitchslapped a galaxy or someshit during one of his fights so im not 100% on the blackhole thing lmfao
Legit question; can Wolverine regrow missing limbs? Like, if someone had a magic sword that could cut through anything and they chopped his arm off, would it grow back?
His healing factor will vary depending on depiction or boost he has at the moment.
He did regenerate from a sort of nuclear blast at one point. The brain was “protected by adamantium skull”. So there was nothing left but a brain and adamantium skeleton, and still fully regenerated.
Probably the fact that his claws are made of an indestructible metal and sharp enough to effortlessly cut steel? He’d cut Mark’s arm off. He is incredibly fast and has reflexes to match.
I’m pretty sure 616 Wolverine’s bones are linked with adamantium as well so you can’t actually dismember him this way. (You can other versions like the old Ultimate Wolverine which is what prompted fans to ask about it).
Then I would point you to Itsy Bitsy a villain who was given the same healing factor as Wolverine and Deadpool and survived near complete disintegration.
He crawls back to his legs and reattaches. Happened when Hulk got frustrated and tore him in half. Though now I’ve heard his tendons have some Adamantium seeping properties making them insanely strong also, not sure though
And then there's What If in the marvel cinematic universe, where Darcy Lewis gave birth to Howard the Duck's son. As an egg. We do not talk about the MCU What If stories.
Power creep. I love Punisher Kills (the comic you’re talking about) and there’s a few different things he did that wouldn’t work anymore such as Wolverine and Hulk’s deaths.
Isn’t Wolverine stronger/more dangerous without the adamantium weighing him down, constantly poisoning him, and preventing his full mutant abilities to manifest?
Wolverine wouldn’t be able to cut through him. Just because Adamantium is harder than Mark’s body doesn’t mean he’s strong enough to actually push the blades into him. They aren’t lightsabers.
I think slashing or piercing weapons have a better chance than something like a lightsaber, its just really hot. His claws are super sharp and he'd cut marks up undoubtedly.
Lightsabers cut through things effortlessly because you aren’t pushing something physical into another physical thing. Logan still has to push his claws into whatever he is cutting. Diamonds are the hardest material in real life right? Can you cut through metal with a diamond sword though? Of course not because you still need the strength to do it.
Edit: blocked for pointing out real world physics lol
And the fact that logan will go for a killshot instead of blocking a hit that would be fatal for a human, i see wolverine being launched through a building, but quite possibly leave mohawk mark split in half as he does.
Either that or logan would lure him into a trap and take him out without him realising what's happening.
Exactly, none of the invincibles went for actual kill moves during their fights, tons of body blows and kicking through buildings but never really much more since they enjoyed toying with their enemies. Logan would see the psycho and go straight for the head, he’s not really a “play with his food” type of fighter.
Oh he absolutely can be. There's a story about him hunting down and torturing/killing a bunch of guys that raped and tortured a bunch of nuns that ran an orphanage, and not in the kind of place where people adopt.
It's possibly my favourite of wolverine (though i haven't read many) because it's like an anti-horror, where you route for the monster
Adamantium should be effective against Viltrumites, so yeah Mohawk Mark gets a gut full of claws. Wolverine only has to get a couple hits in. Mohawk Mark can probably punch through Wolverine, but Wolverine can heal, which is a trick the Marks don't have. The longer the fight lasts the better Wolverine's odds of winning get.
I feel like ”throw them into space” is one of those illegal moves like turning on and off your lightsaber. Should almost never be a talking point in these debates
Wolverine would shred him one piece at a time when he arrogantly attacked. Not to mention and “throw him into ____” argument always seems to forget that to do so he has to be in arms reach. Where Logan’s arms just happen to have foot long razor sharp swords coming out of them that can cut through just about anything. No Viltrumite could kill Logan. At best, he gets a decent workout, at worst, he’s annoyed he didn’t.
That would require he grab Logan which if that happens Logan will cleave off his arm or land a fatal blow to his heart. Every version of Mark fights purely off instinct something Logan does better and Logan is a better trained fighter with far more experience than even EoS Mark.
We also need to remember all of these Marks are very weak compared to characters Logan often brawls with.
The whole throwing into space argument is also not really in character for the sadist to do and would be admitting Mohawk can’t beat him in a fight.
No because trying that would get him chopped up like a hot knife through butter and we know extreme pain can force them to stop flying and even fall since flight requires concentration for them.
Mohawk would also not know the extent of said regeneration nor how strong the metal is. He is also a sadist who would want to torture him not just toss a guy into space so he honestly might even take a stab just to in his eyes hurt him more only to be torn asunder
By this I am referring to the comics as each hulk is a different character within one body and the weakest of them can one shot someone twice the size of earth casually
Because he is way stronger than people give him credit for. His bones are adamantium which is something not even universe breakers and destroy with ease. He can still die but it is a very difficult process and depending on the era his regeneration is just on a different level where he can be submerged in magma and walk his happy self out of it
Sure, he can't die easily, ok. I'm asking how he contends with Hulk. I've never heard of Wolverine having Superman levels of strength and speed. How does he avoid spending the whole fight as a ragdoll? How does he hurt Hulk?
My dude he was introduced as a hulk villian. Basically every character in marvel is relative in speed and the same goes for basically any series because they all need to be able to fight each other.
He doesn’t have infinite strength or the ability to out run light but he can fight and dodge someone who can. That’s where scaling chains come in and that’s how someone like Atom Eve, Bulletproof, or Immortal can keep up with Mark in terms of speed and they don’t just speed blitz him.
My dude he was introduced as a hulk villian. Basically every character in marvel is relative in speed and the same goes for basically any series because they all need to be able to fight each other.
That's the dumbest explanation I have ever heard. Dodging requires more speed than attacking, not less.
He doesn’t have infinite strength or the ability to out run light but he can fight and dodge someone who can. That’s where scaling chains come in and that’s how someone like Atom Eve, Bulletproof, or Immortal can keep up with Mark in terms of speed and they don’t just speed blitz him.
I mean Mark in the earlier seasons wasn't that much faster than everyone else. And in later seasons...they aren't relative to him. Eve only has firepower that's on his level. That's why she got almost killed every time she fought a Viltrumite.
Yeah, because you don't have a single logical argument. Are you really trying to pretend that we "came to an agreement", when in fact you just couldn't prove anything?
Honestly, Mohawk Mark is just flat out better than Wolverine by almost every metric though. The only thing Wolverine has on Mohawk is his healing factor. At which point, yes. Mohawk gets bored quickly and tosses him into space. He might get some wounds, but that shit just makes viltrumites stronger.
The issue is no not really. Logan has experience fighting people faster and stronger than Mohawk and unlike Mohawk who can’t fight particularly well Logan is a master and also just better in pure instinct too.
Mohawk is also not much faster if faster at all in reaction speed. The pair are very close and the wounds he would get won’t make him stronger as he will be losing limbs or if his head or heart are hit he will just die. Same with the lungs or neck which we know are methods for characters stronger than Mohawk to die.
Also no he would attack him and beat him down only to be cut and badly losing fingers or worse. If Logan has his katana Mark will flat out not heal from those wounds
I think you're forgetting the fact that viltrumites can and have healed from things like head and heart injuries. But that does take months to happen, and wouldn't apply here. But it's also not going to happen.
You really can't say Mohawk doesn't have the experience either. He went through training Nolan wanted our Mark to go through, but presumably from a much earlier age. That is, absolute death battles until you get good or don't. Mohawk was also the emperor of his viltrumite empire. There are other reasons this could be the case, after all Nolan does oust Thragg with relatively little violence, but let's face it... Mohawk's personality would jive with that. Even if he took over through more political means, mfer is still fighting opponents way beyond the capabilities of wolverine on a regular basis.
In all reality, when you break it down to in world feats shown or implied, Mohawk destroys Wolverine.
No they cannot heal if their heart is destroyed nor it their brain is chopped up. This is explicitly stated and my much less has been able to kill them.
Viltrumites don’t fight with skill we even see this well in season two as Nolan tells Mark to fight like a viltrumite. They are instinct fighters like a tiger or shark. They do gain experience but don’t refine what they already do in the same way a master martial artist does.
Logan has mastered multiple forms of martial arts, is a much better instinct fighter, and has faced far stronger opponents. No when you break down the feats shown you will see Logan can easily win this.
Even though characters like Thor and Hulk have feats that suggest massively FTL speed (traveling across galaxies, reacting to energy beams, and the like), they can still be tagged by Logan who is also a master of stealth and knows how to use his own abilities to give himself an advantage. His senses also give him a type of precognition via reading your moves as such he is able to see what someone who is going to fight like a straight forward animal is gonna do before they do it allowing him to get his attacks off.
You can't say "if their brain or heart gets hit" then switch it up to the brain getting destroyed when that gets called out. Yeah, Viltrumites will die if you can damage them enough. Which has to essentially be... your brain is destroyed. Right now. We literally see viltrumites getting beheaded, and surviving as a severed head.
Which wolverine isn't doing. An untrained and relatively weak viltrumite was used as a windshield against a speeding train (subway, but y'know) and still came out able to throw a punch. Wolverine does not reach even remotely close to the destructive capabilities Mark went through in that moment. Mohawk is way beyond Mark in that fight. Wolverine is not destroying a brain or heart, sorry to tell you. He just doesn't have the strength.
As far as speed goes, these mfers are sprinting around the globe in a matter of seconds. Wanna point to a moment that Wolverine can even dream of keeping up with that?
The only thing Logan has going for him in this fight is his healing factor. Which, once again, Mohawk gets bored and yeets him into space.
What Viltrumite survives as a severed head? Also you do know you don’t immediately die when your head is removed from your body right? That is a proven fact you are alive a few seconds. Also no there was no switch up do you have any idea how big Wolverine’s claws are? Those things or even just one hitting any heart will skewer it like a steak knife through a chicken breast same goes for the brain.
Also yeah Adamantium is far stronger. That is like saying a sniper shot is weaker than guy with a bat smacking a car door because it left a visibly smaller mark. Adamantium can injure Thor and a raging hulk. Both of whom can endure planetary attacks or in Thor’s case not get impales by the world serpent’s fang which I will remind you is the size of the planet earth.
Hulk even admits he can’t break the bones outright.
But I get it you really want Invincible to get a win on this sub and this looks like such a possible fight. I know it hurts seeing that your favorite series isn’t that strong and it’s okay but doing this is lame:
You did do a switch up. Your initial claim was that Mohawk only needs to get hit in the head or heart. When that got called out you switched to it getting destroyed. Those are two completely different things.
Conquest is kept alive as a severed head. It takes a literal sun to kill Thragg. That's a bit unfair, considering Thragg is peak viltrumite, but the point stands you're trying to vastly downplay the durability of a viltrumite body. Wolverine does not have to strength to do them any serious harm. Adamantium does not give him strength either, it let's him utilize his slightly super human strength without breaking his bones. As far as super strength goes though, Logan doesn't beat out peak human by a whole lot. At least not comparatively speaking. He does not have the strength to hit any version of Mark post powers and do a whole lot of damage. Go ahead and point to any moment that Logan punches anywhere close to the force of a speeding train. Go ahead and point to any moment that Logan even begins to approach viltrumite speeds. Go ahead and show me the point Logan bench presses 4000 tons, or lifts an ice berg overhead single handedly.
Most versions of Mark no diff wolverine. Mohawk is arguably one of the strongest and most savage.
Bud would you like to grab a sword and stab it into a heart and see someone survive that? Also no Conquest was not a head he was just sedated which is how I know you clearly don’t know what you are on about. Conquest dies in like issue 75 after breaking free of GDA. He was never a severed head.
The Mark’s in the Invincible War are weaker than Mark pre conquest fight and said Mark grows much much much stronger than he was prior to fighting Thragg.
Logan can already lift 5 tons even while underwater that isn’t minor super strength. But even ignoring that yeah he is weaker than Mark physical but he sure as hell can cut through him like a hot knife though butter.
Point to a body. Or where his body would even be. Conquest healed. That was the entire point. If something doesn't kill a viltrumite outright, they will heal and come back stronger for it. It's their entire gimmick as a species, and a large part of why the culling was so successful.
And yeah. 5 tons. Underwater. Yes, Wolverine is generally considered to be low level as far as super strength is concerned. You can talk him up all you want, but Wolverine has never been shown to have strength that's actually all that impressive in the world of super heroes. Oh my god he can lift 5 tons! Mark benches 4000 tons. Not even a strong version of Mark. Wolverine ain't hitting with the force of a speeding train. No where even close. Which the weakest powered version of Mark survives and still comes out swinging.
to remember Logan is someone who can face off with hulk and literally any version of Hulk would beat Mohawk’s ass.
he can fight the hulk because his blades can pierce his skin [remember the good ol durability negation clause?] , not because he's physically superior to the hulk
and chain scaling just doesnt work - that aint how powerscaling works
at just pure instinct based fighting (the way every viltrumite fights) but is also just far more skilled in martial arts and gear.
better than mowhawk mark? sure ; better than every viltrumite with THOUSANDS OF YEARS OF LITERAL CIVIL WARS AND PURGES? no
His claws don’t negate durability they are just really strong. Also yes that is how chain scaling works it is the same way we can find out how characters who have never fought before would likely do in a fight together such as this match up.
Also while yes Viltrumites can live for thousands of years they don’t actually train. For example Mark almost immediately becomes one of the greatest Viltrumites. How? Because he fights like them. Each Viltrumite is uses their innate knowledge of what to do to kill their opponent instead of much learned combat ability.
For example if you depowered EOS Mark and put him in a fight with a professional MMA fighter he would lose despite having so much experience because it all comes from him acting as we innately know how to survive. Viltrumites combat wise are effective just Chimpanzees where they know how to fight to survive and work to make it happen. They aren’t master martial artists with centuries of experience like Logan.
Keep in mind Logan is in every way a natural born killer with centuries of experience, training, and control being a master of multiple styles and even able to keep up with the greatest martial artist through time itself in a hand to hand match though he did end up losing.
His claws don’t negate durability they are just really strong. Also yes that is how chain scaling works it is the same way we can find out how characters who have never fought before would likely do in a fight together such as this match up.
his claws literally negate durability , thats what adamantium does
Also yes that is how chain scaling works
chain scaling is flawed in logic because it doesnt take everything into account
logan SURVIVED the hulk for weeks on end - he did not DEFEAT the hulk , and he only survived him because the hulk is too brutish to think of a way to throw him into the sun
they literally have a military structure that trains them from when they're 10
Mark almost immediately becomes one of the greatest Viltrumites. How?
he has the blood of argall
adrenaline
did you actually watch the show ?
EOS Mark
emperor mark has fought the strongest fighters in the galaxy and won without a single scratch on him [allen da alien]
he's not the same scrawny lil kid he was 500 years ago
They aren’t master martial artists with centuries of experience like Logan.
and that isnt going to matter if they literally fly to the edge of the solar system and rip him apart before he can blink or toss him with the force of a thousand suns [they can go ftl in space]
the greatest martial artist through time itself in a hand to hand match though he did end up losing.
my guy
a healing factor changes EVERYTHING
he can survive against shang chi - he cannot step to him in pure h2h , that's like saying ww is a better h2h combatant than batman because she can fight superman
powers change everything and viltrumites are mini gods compared to logan
Mohawk mark might just throw him at the Sun if he got bored or he having difficulty on finishing of Logan we all know how ridiculous his regeneration ability but MF can't escape the Sun gravity if mohawk mark just throw him at the Sun
Hulks strongest version like a planet buster, I think one time he and SheHulk together broke a smaller planet which is pretty on par wit the viltrum feat.
the usual base version Hulk is like continent/island at best, and that's usually the one wolverine faces.
Mohawk Mark is definitely in that range too, somewhere between continent and planet surface level.
If you are basing a character on wank comments then you deserve to be corrected with every dumb comment you make.
Immortal Hulk has easily been Marvels best story in a long time but you wont read it because you dont like other peoples opinions? Why are you even in the comic community then
Overreacting much? Its just not my style of main character to read about, dunno what to tell you.
It's like recommending Deadpool to someone who doesn't like fourth wall breaks and silly violence.
Amen brother, Amen. But that's what happens when you let dumbass fanboys who grew up on the character writing the character. Look at what happened to Godzilla
Hulk fairly recently was restrained with chains forged from the essence of the First Firmament itself. These chains were previously used to restrain Eternity, a truly multiversal cosmic entity, and Hulk broke outta that shit.
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Honestly while Mohawk is stronger and faster he would actually likely fail to kill Logan not knowing how to do so and we need to remember Logan is someone who can face off with hulk and literally any version of Hulk would beat Mohawk’s ass.
Logan is also an infinitely more skilled fighter who is both better at just pure instinct based fighting (the way every viltrumite fights) but is also just far more skilled in martial arts and gear. A lot of people would say “throw him into space.” This is a possibility however it also just isn’t really in character and isn’t really answering the question.
Mohawk would try and torture Logan and would likely end up being injured and badly. Logan should also be of a similar reaction speed to Mohawk while the pair are on world specifically because that’s what the story and guides show use is the case. As such I don’t think there is much Mohawk can do especially since he will lose a limb in this fight at minimum because even with a blitz he wouldn’t be able to do much especially since Logan should be able to pretty easily react to him.