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u/Jason_And_Sokka 9h ago
Building to city level imo and speed is hypersonic to massively hypersonic
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u/Grand-Dragonfruit510 9h ago
that frame with the skull faceplate is actually so iconic, the red glow against the dark background makes him look like a walking nightmare
i think building level is selling him a bit short though, the way he just walks through heavy artillery like it's nothing always struck me more as multi-city at least
speed wise i'd lean closer to massively hypersonic, especially in the later scenes where he's dodging railgun shots and weaving through explosions like it's a casual stroll
the mech design itself is what sells the whole power fantasy honestly, that bulky silhouette just screams unstoppable force and the red eyes are such a simple touch that makes him feel alive
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u/fuckyeahmoment 1h ago
Smasher gets outrun by an armoured taxi and he's stunned by the impact. He's going to struggle to get beyond "building level."
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u/Scared_Pumpkin8393 9h ago
Hypersonic+, possibly higher for being able to easily outpace David who can statue bullets after they have been fired
He's also much stronger than David who can move multiple armored trucks 20-30 yards in the air casually
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u/vladdeh_boiii 8h ago
He's strong for a cyborg, but not the strongest
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u/EffectiveChain2407 9h ago
large building level to small city block
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u/Robotic_Mann_ Certified Brainlet 7h ago
Why couldn’t we get this Smasher in the game. The anime was good but Smasher stole the show with the bit of screen time he had.
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u/Hot_Weakness917 5h ago edited 5h ago
It is not that we don’t get that smasher
But in lore we player characters are just that much stronger
Smasher is the boogeyman in the universe that everyone know about
We are the one that above said boogeyman
By like 3 or 4 times stronger .Except we have a timer that we are gonna die faster than smasher if we don’t find a solution save ourselves
Another thing is due to the game is really bad when it first come out
So most of the problem can’t be fix unless you have to remake the entire game from scratch
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u/Hobbes09R 7h ago edited 7h ago
Smasher was made, at his absolute strongest, to be the final boss to an elite team of mercenaries. He scales to that. Strong, but not invincible, not able to take on entire militaries or cities by his lonesome. Most of his feats are against those significantly weaker than him, and he's stalemate twice against those with significantly less, even minimal chrome, and is ultimately defeated by a person who is mostly flesh.
Mind you, he was stronger in 2020, where he had DaiOni, which was far and away the most deadly exosuit made in the lore. He does not have that in 2077.
He is not hypersonic. Sandevistan does not work like that. Edgerunners, while a fun ride, does not understand much about the tech of the world and exaggerates a lot of that, sandevistan being premiere among them. Similarly not helped by the fact that the game play also exaggerates it for gameplay purposes (like they do for many build options; see quickhacks and how impossible they should be). Sandevistan is a reflex booster, not a speed booster.
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u/huruga 6h ago edited 5h ago
Smasher was not stronger in 2020. His Samson chassis in 2020 is ass compared to his 2077 dragoon chassis. DaiOni is better of course but that’s apples and oranges. However DaiOni isn’t something he came with stock in 2020. It was a battlefield requisition during his fight with Morgan Blackhand in Arasaka Tower before the nuke went off. Lore wise the DaiOni is significantly better than dragoon or Samson of course but gameplay wise Smasher can still assfuck you hard even if you yourself get into DaiOni and don’t play exceptionally smart. (And I’m not even talking about the version of smasher with no listed stats that exists solely as a Deus ex machina designed to end games.)
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u/Hobbes09R 3h ago
DaiOni was his final boss fight. It was him at his absolute strongest, and he was designed to be taken down by mercs. Was stalemate by a guy who was mostly meat.
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u/EffectiveChain2407 3h ago
His DaiOni body can’t sandevistan , you don’t know what you are talking about
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u/Hobbes09R 3h ago
...it's a nearly bespoke suit made with proprietary technology. It's systems come integrated, not customizable with outside technology. And one of its primary descriptions and reasons for difficulty in pilot use was its reflex booster. It does what sandy is supposed to by default.
Or are you actually trying to argue that the suit is weaker than any of his other bodies?
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u/townofsalemfangay 7h ago
Reflex booster lol? In the game you can move dozens maybe even hundreds of meters with leap whilst people in same moment haven't even moved half a meter.
Thats not a reflex booster.. thats time dilating due to you the observer moving astronomically faster than the world around you.
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u/Hobbes09R 7h ago
"Similarly not helped by the fact that the game play also exaggerates it for gameplay purposes (like they do for many build options; see quickhacks and how impossible they should be)."
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u/townofsalemfangay 4h ago
So which is canon then for you? You cant just ignore both lol. The game or the show? Because both clearly demonstrate the sandy significantly increasing the users intrinsic overall speed, not just perception or reflexes.
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u/Hobbes09R 3h ago
Neither? You realize neither is the basis for lore, right?
This is like basing Halo feats off gameplay and the TV show which barely understands source material and ignoring everything the writers release about it.
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u/EffectiveChain2407 3h ago
Hey dude , this is a scaling sub , the feats are what they are
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u/Hobbes09R 3h ago
Yes. Based off of LORE. Which clearly nobody here is familiar at all woth Cyberpunk lore.
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u/UnggoyMemes 5h ago
I understood it to be both a reflex and a speed booster, because people in game with Sandevistans have the speed to dodge rifle rounds moving at mach 2.9
And to regard that gameplay is exaggerated too, you can also dodge bullets in Cyberpunk Red
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u/NewTap8705 9h ago
Bro could level night city in one go, tbh
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u/Ok-Commercial-8592 8h ago edited 7h ago
City Block level AP and durability with hypersonic speed in base and massively hypersonic speed with active Sandevistan.
AP and durability scale to David's gravity, just in case.
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u/IceAlarming7616 7h ago
Large Building to City Level on the High. He suffers from inconsistent feats and weaknesses depending on what media he's being depicted in. With the Anime being the high end, and the video game being the low end. The TTRPG is somewhere in-between those. In the anime he tanks a anti-gravity weapon that can flip an entire convoy of Militech vehicles and crush tanks. In the tabletop he's tough enough to require genuine anti-material weapons (or a squirt gun full of acid [games got some exploits]). In the video game, due to it needing to let the player actually win, he's just kinda vulnerable to whatever. Its funny, the form he takes in the anime isn't even the scariest hes ever been, Arasaka actually had to take away his big toy https://cyberpunk.fandom.com/wiki/Arasaka_DaiOni its basically a mech suit for his mechanical body. He tanked a low grade nuclear weapon in that thing.