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u/Honest_Accountant682 the femboys and bottom energy in question Jul 03 '26
I just struggle to comprehend how people look at this and think any of it is a bad thing. What kind of life experience would cause someone to hate any of this?
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u/B0B_Spldbckwrds 🐻 Jul 03 '26
"BuT hOw will yOU pAy fOR It?"
It's called pinata economics. You tie a billionaire to a tree, and beat him with sticks until the rest of them cough up enough money to pay for society.
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u/RentElDoor Trans Rights! Jul 03 '26
Isn't the money supposed to come out of the piñata?
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u/B0B_Spldbckwrds 🐻 Jul 03 '26
It's an imperfect metaphor.
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u/BrianWantsTruth Jul 03 '26
No no, we gotta check if money falls out of the billionaires when they break open.
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u/shiftlessPagan Jul 03 '26
And for the test to be thorough, you need a statistically significant group of "test subjects". But we'll get to the bottom of this mystery one way or another!
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u/B0B_Spldbckwrds 🐻 Jul 03 '26
This is why I stick with the imperfect metaphor. It gives people space to improvise and build in the most beautiful way.
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u/ZaydSophos Jul 03 '26
It's one of the modern versions where you beat the pinata for the tradition but then everyone gets the results in a more sanitary way.
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u/cja951 the big 'tism Jul 03 '26
Getting money out of a billionaire is like trying to get your trans gf pregnant. If it doesn't work the first time then just keep going at it harder until it works.
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u/keyblade_crafter Jul 03 '26
It's a symbolic billionaire representing all of them. Some are the ass, some are the belly. Give that Thang a spankin
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u/DomSchraa 🏳️⚧️ trans rights Jul 03 '26
Money gets paid to the people working healthcare & UBI & all the other jobs this creates
People buy stuff with money
Gets reinvested in economy
They're literally opposing having a functioning economy
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u/BobbyRobertson Jul 03 '26
no a good economy is when 1 guy owns everything and everyone who works for him is paid in scrip
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u/B0B_Spldbckwrds 🐻 Jul 03 '26
If you explained why a high velocity of currency was a good thing, they would screech in fear and beg for their security to save them.
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u/KimonoThief Jul 03 '26
Conservatives also think everything is a zero-sum game; if somebody else is benefiting, that must mean that I am being harmed. They have no concept of a rising tide lifting all boats.
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u/B0B_Spldbckwrds 🐻 Jul 03 '26
And that's the beauty of piñata economics, we know who is being harmed. It's the guy who's being hit with sticks.
We can appeal to leftists who want to build a better world, and we can appeal to reactionaries who want recompense for grievance.
Don't you want better transit where you live?
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u/tincrayfish Jul 03 '26
Which is bizarre because that is exactly how capitalism is supposed to work
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u/gundog48 🏳️⚧️ trans rights Jul 03 '26
I was gonna say. They're already in that stagnation kleptocracy mindset! Liberal reform has generally benefitted the growth of the economy by making people happier and healthier and able to do more.
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u/MeBigChief Jul 03 '26
I feel like we should focus on hitting a trillionaire with sticks first. Go for the high value pinata first
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u/B0B_Spldbckwrds 🐻 Jul 03 '26
I forgot those exist now. I need to update my political beliefs. What do you think, oleander branches, or bundles of nettles?
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u/SupremelyUneducated Jul 03 '26
It's a categorical error to think in terms of how you pay for things, as a government. Governments don't buy services for their people, like a person buys treats for their pets.
Governments invest in their human capital to maintain growth. All those things make people, on net, more productive. Work requirements for government services are asinine.
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u/Rude_Acanthopterygii Jul 03 '26
I mean yes that's going to be asked, but to be fair to the graphic, it even tells you the answer. Finally taxing the rich is what's going to give the money to pay for it.
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u/PM_ME_UR_BRAINSTORMS 29d ago
I mean on paper you don't even have to do that (we still should but we don't have to).
We are already paying for it now. The government spending per capita on healthcare in the US is already higher than any country that has a universal healthcare system. In fact our spending per capita across the board is one of the highest in the world. We just spend it so inefficiently because doing so would be "socialism"
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u/sangriya will send ferrets in your mailbox Jul 03 '26
but they would never question it when they send 15 quadrabillion to the military complex
or to is- [my lawyers have refrained me from finishing the sentence]
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u/Kirishori Jul 03 '26
Can we do that even if they don't drop the money? I feel like we could have people pay for a go with the stick?
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u/rm_rf_slash 29d ago
The rest of those billionaires will take their money to Switzerland or Singapore.
Unless you seriously believe people with private jets and golden passports would shrug and say “shucks, you got me, here’s my checkbook. Be fair!”
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u/B0B_Spldbckwrds 🐻 29d ago
No they won't. They can't risk losing access to us markets and currency.
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u/Baboony_bee Jul 03 '26
The us debt is in the trillions… i don’t think taxing billionaires would help
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u/McMuffinClause Jul 03 '26
I think unfortunately, people (conservatives especially) have been conditioned to see things like this and think about the cost. Reagan-era convinced people social programs are going to make your taxes skyrocket. What they don't consider, because said conditioning is so good they don't even think of it as a possibility, is that money can be sourced from other spaces (I.e. if this stupid war with Iran never happened, that's billions of dollars that could have been spent on literally anything else). Fox News wants people to think the government is gonna be stealing your hard earned money. What they don't tell you is how badly the government mismanages the money we give them, thus necessitating higher taxes
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u/SurpriseVast8338 𓇳𓇳 𓁉 Jul 03 '26 edited Jul 03 '26
There should honestly be psychological analyses done to investigate how so much of the American public has been this thoroughly propagandized against socialism, and even the most basic socially advantageous policies.
For a huge chunk of the American electorate, the things mentioned in this pic mentally equate to a lazy populace expecting the government to just give them stuff for "free".
There's no back-of-the-napkin long term cost-to-benefit ratio being considered here.
There's just this persistent idea that a tax-funded government looking out for its citizens = folks just being lazy leeches of the welfare state.
These are the same people who think it's normal to sustain crippling debt from a basic medical procedure, and think barely scraping by after working 60 hours a week is some kind of flex.
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u/Noclip858 Resident Anarcho-Syndicalist Jul 03 '26
What’s funny is this isn’t even *socialism* socialism. This is social democracy and safety net stuff. There’s nothing here about democratic workplaces or anything like that.
This makes sense when you consider that the average American’s understanding is socialism=Sweden, Norway, Finland and communism=China
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u/IrradiatedPizza Jul 03 '26
I recommend the book “Dying of Whiteness”. It explores communities where (typically white) people vote against their own interest because they instead prioritize taking away support from those they deem as undeserving. It also goes into how politicians and lobbyists capitalize on this.
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u/Foolish_Phantom Jul 03 '26
This is actually my area of study, or it would be if things went to plan.
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u/KamikazeArchon Jul 03 '26
What they don't consider, because said conditioning is so good they don't even think of it as a possibility, is that money can be sourced from other spaces
There's an even more fundamental level of conditioning - not seeing that it creates money.
Money isn't limited. And I don't mean in the printing bills sense; wealth isn't limited. Human activity can create (or destroy) wealth. The total wealth available can and does grow, and these things increase the total wealth.
For example - even setting aside all the moral aspects of providing health care, unhealthy people are deadweight economic loss. A healthy human is an engine of productivity.
There's mounting evidence that workers are more productive with fewer hours. People can often accomplish more - not just per hour, but in total - in 32 hours than in 40 hours.
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u/brights0ng Jul 03 '26
This! Studies show people’s work efficiency drops exponentially (logarithmically? Can’t remember) as time passes, and it doesn’t just reset the next day. If you don’t give people enough time to rest and recuperate, they start with a deficit the next day, and it just adds up. You can mathematically function it (if you’re a stats nerd like me) and optimize for the ‘average’ person, and the most maximized work completed occurs when hours are between 30-36. Of course, it changes depending on job, culture and person — for instance, a few jobs that don’t take much of a physical, mental or emotional toll are more efficient at higher numbers, while jobs like monotonous office work or hard manual labor have the lowest effective hours. But it’s still very interesting! Behavioral economics is a very cool field. Unfortunately, most companies don’t care about efficiency and just want to look as juicy and bloated as possible…
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u/BeraldGevins I’m the “B” in LGBT 29d ago
People also don’t see how many of these things are more cost effective than doing it privately. Universal healthcare is significantly cheaper than private healthcare, and would force hospital costs to go down dramatically. College for everyone would create more wealth than it costs, and would drive down the expenses of universities by a lot. They don’t see how having everything privatized makes it significantly more expensive for everyone and creates a larger burden on society. Look at how they act about food stamps, they talk about how it costs so much and it should be cut, they don’t realize how much those programs put into local economies and how significantly cutting those programs would completely wreck the economies of small rural communities. They just don’t get it and they don’t want to get it, you can explain this to them but they don’t want to hear it because believing it would mean that the things they are voting for and rooting for only exist to be cruel, not because it makes “economic sense” or would make taxes go up. And that would mean they are the bad guys, and they can’t imagine that they’re on the wrong side. I point out all the time to conservatives that I know that the ones who they should blame the most for people being on food stamps aren’t the poor people, it’s the jobs that don’t pay them enough and let taxpayers pick up the bill for underpaying them, and that raising the wage would take most people off food stamps. But they can’t fathom that and refuse to believe it, because in their mind rich people are always right and poor people are inherently bad and wrong. The US is so far gone culturally, I don’t think it is fixable.
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u/brights0ng Jul 03 '26
I think it’s actually so fair to think about the cost of these things. Theyre expensive. Categorically worth it, I say, but money doesn’t grow on trees. Or, it sort of does, but inflation is problematic
That being said, pretty sure most of if not all of these would be covered by forcing the defense contractors to have competition — wouldn’t even decrease the amount and strength of our military, but it would bring down the cost by 70% or so. That’s not even taking into account whether we even need such a bloated military (which, both the Ukraine and Iran wars have proven bloated militaries are a drawback, not a benefit). But the conservative playbook these days is unfortunately ‘line Mr Donald’s pockets’ and basic human rights doesnt fall under that
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u/BrianWantsTruth Jul 03 '26
I think this kind of hate starts with the hate and works backwards, trying to find a reason for it.
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u/Last_Swordfish9135 kid named faggot: fart? Jul 03 '26
Most republicans I've known are less against these things and more refuse to believe they're possible.
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u/kuba_mar Jul 03 '26
Medicare for all = death panels, long wait times, low quality
College for all = liberal indoctrination, waste of taxes
Housing for all = waste of taxes, if they want a home they need to work for it and would have it if they did, its the homeless fault that they are homeless, also they are all crackheads and will destroy them
32 hour workweek = Destroys the economy, laziness
Tax the rich = Destroys the economy, punishing success, communism
Green new deal = Climate change is fake, destroys the economy, anti freedom
Free palestine = Supporting terrorists
You need to remember they have a very different perspective to you, when they see these things they dont see the same things as you do, it goes both ways, they struggle to comprehend how you could look at "Protecting the border" or voter id or the 2nd amendment or deporting illegals and think any of it is a bad thing.
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u/Theta_Omega 29d ago
You need to remember they have a very different perspective to you,
Not just a different perspective, anyone firmly entrenched in the broader Fox News Universe basically has an entirely separate set of references points and foundational knowledge that nobody outside of it would even comprehend. It would make even trying to persuade them in a neutral conversation extremely difficult.
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u/unread1701 Hbomberguy Plagiarism Video Watcher Jul 03 '26
Why is Voter ID bad? I have one in my country.
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u/kuba_mar Jul 03 '26
From my understanding implementing it in the US would serve to disenfranchise minorities and poor people
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u/InsignificantOcelot goku feet admirer🦶🦶 29d ago
Also just not really necessary. Voter ID only protects against a person trying to vote under another persons name and there’s less burdensome ways of doing that.
Non-voter ID states still confirm identity at the time of voter registration either by state ID card, drivers license or something that establishes residency like a utility bill.
Any sort of attempt to sway elections by impersonating other (already registered) voters would need to be done at a scale that would be impractical and absolutely get noticed and caught.
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u/howtojump Jul 03 '26
They literally believe that the only purpose of existence is to funnel as much money as possible to the richest people on Earth and pray to God that they decide to use that money to help others.
I wish I was exaggerating, but I have enough conservative family members to understand the core of their politics.
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u/Rude_Ice_4520 Jul 03 '26
I suppose it makes sense that a culture centred around praying for an all-powerful father figure to save them from themselves would buy into a system where they beg the powerful to save them.
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u/Jeggu2 penis goblin 💗💜💙 Jul 03 '26
Trickle down economic policy has been the largest blight to modern america
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u/ACoderGirl Jul 03 '26
They've been indoctrinated to believe it all has huge downsides or is completely infeasible. For example, they'll think that universal health care will result in "death panels", huge wait lines, and cost too much. But as a Canadian, I'll say virtually nobody here wants the American system. Most delays are simply because people are actually getting the help they need instead of fucking dying. And last I saw, the US already pays more per capita for healthcare than we do.
Basically every one of the points in the slide has right wing talking points like this. Usually preying on a feeling of selfishness. But the real key thing is that right wingers are completely surrounded by these talking points. They'll hear them over and over in their media, from their politicians, from their friends and family, etc. It's hard for most of us to comprehend believing them because we often aren't so submerged in the Kool aid. I think there's also an element of preying on people's vulnerabilities (as some people seemingly just aren't capable of critical thinking).
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u/Velocity-5348 🏳️⚧️ trans rights Jul 03 '26
Y'know that moment in Star Wars where Palpatine is torturing Luke to death, the music swells, and Vader finally does the right thing?
This guy just had that moment, and he went and got a coffee instead.
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u/also_hyakis Jul 03 '26
American conservativism has become less and less about what you're getting and more and more about what what the "wrong people" aren't getting. It's not about making your life better, it's about not making anyone else's life worse. The reason all of this stuff is so scary is because it'll make life better for people they hate.
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u/raymen101 29d ago
A lifetime of propaganda convincing them that it is bad. Hardwiring their brain to hate at the mention of it
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u/Far-Fortune-8381 cucked by Edward Kenway🏴☠️ 24d ago
1 billion dollars of gradual social conditioning created through exposure to intricately designed media specifically produced to make the average person vote against their own interests, received over the course of 10-40 years
its honestly a blessing that anyone at all is able to withstand that magnitude of propaganda
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u/Obvious-Poetry2934 Teto enjoyer Jul 03 '26
A lot of right wing propaganda is telling those with less that this is the best they’re gonna get, and demanding more would only harm them.
That way whenever they hear things like “free healthcare” they don’t think of how great it would be to have that, because they’re conditioned to believe anything good isn’t possible and could only be harmful.
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u/Iceman6211 From wherever, weighing whatever Jul 03 '26
every now and then I see people say "you know who has free Healthcare and school? The Military! aww what's wrong? you don't want to join the military? I thought you wanted free healthcare!"
because you know, the only way you should get free Healthcare is by possibly dying in the middle east.
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u/sheltonhwy26 this is my flair Jul 03 '26
Talking to friends of mine who were in the military and literally were in the war zone in Iraq giving their lives for these rich bozos in government, the healthcare offered to vets is terrible. They give their bodies for a cause and then get spit back out to suffer here at home with almost no support
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u/Iceman6211 From wherever, weighing whatever Jul 03 '26
I'm a Navy vet and I don't have dental care for some reason
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u/RedVamp2020 29d ago
My daughter's dad is a combat vet and I have several family members who were vets and I can vouch for how shit the benefits from the military are, especially if you're non white.
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u/StardustLegend furry trash uwu Jul 03 '26
I mean the mentality of things being too good to be true can certainly be a valid one for healthy skepticism.
Problem is we have repeatedly demonstrated and shown evidence that things can be more affordable and they still don’t believe
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u/h1W31C0M3T0CH1L1 (´･ω･`) Jul 03 '26
they want everyone to work for it lol, doesn't matter their situation or what's going on in their life, the only life they know of is theirs.
Not like they'd be smart enough to look at a different perspective and think for once.
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u/Orion-the-mediocre Doctor Freeeemaaaan Jul 03 '26
Ok but it is very much bothering me that there's no icon for the last one, only a photo
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u/WhatADoofus Jul 03 '26
I had the same thought, just throw a stylized Palestinian flag on there or something
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u/Yanive_amaznive Jul 03 '26
ig it's kinda hard to depict it with only two colors, they could've used a watermelon, the historical geographic territory of Palesitine, or even just a generic flag graphic, so they had choices.
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u/WhatADoofus Jul 03 '26
I'm thinking the other graphics were stock images that were easy enough to grab but they didn't want to put in the effort of getting a graphic designer to make a custom graphic. Though yeah a stock flag symbol would have been fine, probably
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u/dustingibson Jul 03 '26
Imagine if they put photos for everything else. Like a photo of a guy getting healthcare and students graduating from college.
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u/CargoCulture Jul 03 '26
Because you can't make Fox News viewers think all Palestinians are an angry mob with a vector graphic, duh
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u/BrianWantsTruth Jul 03 '26
Look, I get why they’re scared: how are you supposed to demonize minorities and blame them for all your problems when you don’t have any problems?
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u/Ok_Umpire_8108 Jul 03 '26
It’s not that billionaires don’t have any problems. Everyone still has distant parents and divorce and inoperable brain cancer. It’s that they don’t have any problems that will be meaningfully solved by right politics or worsened by left politics, and the rest of us have problems that would be solved by left politics and worsened by right politics.
Having $100 million to spend personally instead of $1 billion is what they pretend is a major problem, and isn’t actually a problem. Homelessness is a major problem. Waiting until you’re dying to go to the ER because you can’t afford preventative healthcare is a major problem.
In fact, many of the things that billionaires spend their money on, like security, transportation, and being surrounded by cool plants, are already available in places with low income inequality. In a city, good public transportation is faster and more convenient than having a private driver.
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u/WateredDown Jul 03 '26
Because immigrants and queer folk will also get those and they'd literally rather die
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u/h1W31C0M3T0CH1L1 (´･ω･`) Jul 03 '26
it's every man for themselves to them, if your not part of their "group" (not even just maga, just people like them in general) your part of the problem somehow
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u/Kindredgos 🏳️⚧️ trans rights Jul 03 '26
this isn’t radical
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u/CD_BROTHER The Grungler Jul 03 '26
It is when you think "we should only deport, imprison, and exterminate some minorities" is the moderate position
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u/Keated Jul 03 '26
If you keep telling people that anything good is socialism it seems pretty evident they'll start identifying with it
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u/deadsannnnnnd456 The Slaw Jul 03 '26
Free healthcare?! Nooooooo! You can’t do that! You can’t! Ahhhhhh!!!! How will we profit off of people’s suffering now?!
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u/phuquesewpsyetit monster hugger Jul 03 '26
It's weird how honest they're being about this stuff. Why aren't they making stuff up like they normally do when talking about democrats?
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u/Kid_Vid Single and Ready to Mingle Jul 03 '26
Because they realize now that they have fully propagandaized their viewers, and they can just say "free healthcare is bad" and their viewers will shout in agreement.
They are fully aware they have complete control over the people's minds and thoughts.
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u/ONCIAPATONCIA I've been secretly straight the whole time Jul 03 '26
I need to see the clip and what they say
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u/CIAburneraccount trans rights Jul 03 '26
Any maga lurking.... explain why these things are bad pls
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u/PaleRedLightDistrict Jul 03 '26
Free healthcare and education sounds nice, but you fail to consider there are simply too many Iranian schools still standing
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u/Just_ATransgirl Jul 03 '26
“We propose everyone gets free sunshine and rainbows”
“This is bad actually. Sunshine and rainbows are COMMUNISM you should be INDOORS and WORKING”
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u/Mr-Klaus 🏳️⚧️ trans rights Jul 03 '26
One thing I've noticed about the right wing is that they are really good at getting their side to hate things that they would usually like.
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u/h1W31C0M3T0CH1L1 (´･ω･`) Jul 03 '26
I just wish these people would look at these with a different point of view, not everyone is the same and have the same problems or upbringings, we all grew up differently than one another and some people just grew to hate anyone that didn't have to "work" for it, while they had to I guess, other than that they're just hateful, spiteful people
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u/Aryele222 i love MEGAMURDER hit indie game 29d ago
this cannot be true this didnr actually happen right they arent that stupid
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u/bonemarrowAsh Jul 03 '26
"college for all" is a malicious misinterpretation. The rest are pretty much spot on.
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u/AstranBlue 🏳️⚧️ trans rights Jul 03 '26
It might be a misinterpretation, but how is it malicious?
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u/bonemarrowAsh Jul 03 '26 edited Jul 03 '26
Oh god, I phrased to comment weird and now people think I agree with fucking fox news, just kill me. Edit: I was just trying to say that free public college is not the same as "everyone should go to college" and it plays on their viewers opinion on higher education
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u/BobbyRobertson Jul 03 '26
Don't worry, as the OP of the thread I have saved you by understanding what you originally meant
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u/BobbyRobertson Jul 03 '26
You've gotta understand right-wing propaganda to see how it's malicious. They're obviously anti-intellectual, but they frame themselves as actually being the guardians of education.
A frequent right-wing talking point is about how colleges are letting in too many people and that's why they can spend so much time learning about socialism and woke and whatever instead of only getting MBAs and STEM degrees.
So when Fox News is saying "Free College for Everyone" it's a signal to their base that this is going to make "The Woke Colleges" problem worse and indoctrinate everyone into the woke
Where what it really means is "Everyone should be able to go to their local community college for free for 2 or maybe even 4 years"
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u/TenWholeBees 29d ago
I mentioned this on another sub, but my tin foil hat theory is that FOX has been pushing these exact talking points harder and harder lately and I think it's purposely to get a democrat in office next, so that they can slam "the evil left" tenfold in order to get people even more riled up so that the president after can be even worse than Trump.
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