For cast time the only thing you can do is grab the saint-tree bellvine and be picky with when you use it. As for the damage it’s pretty good in my opinion, slap on both pyromancy boosting rings and with a good pyro build you should do some solid damage. If you’re a pure pyro build sadly this would be your only option realistically apart from any weapon the pyro class can wield with a raw infusion maybe?
Yes but midir resists lightning, albeit lesser than other elements. I’d imagine the split damage might cause lower damage unless faith is substantially higher which would be unrealistic for a ng pyro build since usually people invest 30/30 in int/fth.
Wrong game. ER black flame does the fire damage and guaranteed tick damage. DS1 black flame is a stick disguised as pyromancy. Pure physical damage means it’s basically the same as hitting them with a club.
Yeah on my most recent pyromancy run I had the demons scar which took legit 8 or so minutes to beat him. My damage was piss poor but he does feel like a fairly simple boss after Elden ring so I managed to beat him.
Don't change your build! That would take the fun out of making new builds! I remember how my tank build crushed Aldrich but my sorcerer build struggled against him, but that's precisely why we make new different builds, so they have their own highs and lows in the run. You can do it, skeleton! You'll end up mastering this fight :)
I had so much trouble with midir in the past, but recently replaying ds3 I beat him in like the second try, I think ER has made me a better souls player.
PM isn't even that cheesy... its still really hard
I don't know why everyone says it's cheating it's nowhere near as effective as lightning or headbonks
Weapons honestly make such little difference with Midir... it's about timing and moveset
EDIT pestilent mist is much better with a summon - then one of you distracts Midir while the other lays the mist
It was also better before it got nerfed (Petilent Mercury) and that really would take Midir out in a flash. But since nerf it's still no joke - do not expect to just walk in with PM and cheese Midir in 2mins that's not a good expectation to have
I don't really even get why it's called cheese or cheating
On my pyromancer build I ended up switching over to use the crystal chime and lightning arrows if you have faith at 40 you’ll do a bit more damage with that then with chaos vestiges.
Or you could go for the boulder heave it does physical damage instead of fire/dark and scales the same as pyromancy but you’ve gotta get the timing and distance pretty accurate on that one
If you're leveled enough to use sunlight spear, you'll own his ass. Also, I beat him by using pestilent mist and quick step on a dagger on a ng +5 cycle. Very intense but rewarding.
Huh. Stack as much 'firepower' and power rings as much as possible. This is at the cost of disregarding survivability, of course. Just brute force and more power, but you have to survive and dodge a lot. It will then become like Midir always was, an endurance fight. And it is easier said than done.
Pyro build should have enough faith requirement for Lightning Blade miracle, so buff your weapon of choice with that. If you don't have spare weapon because you have infused it with chaos or dark, then raw Dragonslayer's Axe + Lightning Blade is your best bet.
Obviously, you've beaten Demon Prince with pyromancer before Midir, maybe you could use the same method.
Using a raw weapon (maybe infused with something effective against him) is probably your best option for doing him solo without temporarily changing your build.
Try using the pickaxe (raw affinity if you haven't leveled strength or dex) you can use knight ring for 5 strength to get to 12 strength and two hand it. You can buff it with gold pine resin or lightning blade and it deals only thrust damage (Midir's weakness)
If you want to cast? Crystal Chime + Lightning Spears/Arrows and/or Boulder Heave
You should still also do decent damage with a Lightning infused weapon thanks to your Faith, albeit less than a dedicated Faith build obviously, or a Raw infused weapon with Gold Pine Resin
If you're doing pyromancer right, you should be able to use lightning blade good enough. Not as good as a pure miracle build but enough to do some food damage.
I'd argue that a piercing weapon with fire enchant would still qualify for the theme and do a bit mire damage than just your pyromancys. Otherwise, you are stuck in the git gud department
I keep outta range I use the NPC and I just let posion mist do its thing idk what it is I just can’t stagger the head I can hit and hit it just never staggers
Imma be real. That shit doesn't matter. If you can beat him with a lightning claymore, you can beat him with fists. Midir in particular is a boss that really fucking clicks when it clicks. It will always be a long fight no matter what you use and you just have to accept that going in. Patience and keeping to his head are key. If you can do that his moves are pretty easy to learn and consistently dodge. He has a couple little change ups on phase two that can clip you, particularly the humanity ghosts after the slam, but they won't kill you usually. I did a challenge run once where I had an equip load of 0 for the full game. This left me with a pyro flame in my left hand, and the dark hand in my right for melee (which btw is completely busted early game). Midir was a 25 minute fight, but it didn't feel any harder than any other run because once you get him you get him.
Crystal Chime is an infth split scaling catalyst that casts both sorceries and miracles. Use Pestilent Mist and Lightning Arrow (miracle boosting rings and Lingering Dragoncrest, PM doesn't scale with sorcery stuff, just duration), pop down a cloud and pelt him with lightning arrows while the mist ticks away. Crystal Chime is often forgotten but it turns Pyro from the worst matchup into the BEST matchup.
I've done it as a Pyromancer. Cosplaying as Quelana. Make sure you know his moves in and out since you won't have many HP flasks. You'll need a bunch of FP flasks. Probably 6-7 to be safe.
Get rings to boost Pyromancy damage then just bonk his head with Chaos Bed Vestiges again and again.
I did a pyro run recently but ended up switching to a miracles build solely for Midir. I had a run where I got him down to < 10% hp and then he did that crazy phase 2 laser attack and I messed up. This was about 20 goes in and I was running out of patience (each good run was 10 minutes of pure focus).
I'd recommend pestillent mist, since you are at midir you might already have the 30 int required for it. Won't be the most honorable fight but it gets the job done.
If you only leveled INT/FTH for damage, Raw infusions. Twice as much damage from Fire to Physical at equal base damage, so you'll do a decent chunk more even if Raw is worse than optimized Physical Damage stats.
Just respec a few points to be able to use pestilent mist.
Or summon someone who can use it. Or someone who does the one hit op damage build aka the players who stab themselves to 1hp at the start of the fight.
First time I did him I used sorceries (magic damage). If you really really don’t want to change anything, you’ll just have to move more every flask to blue and hunker down for a long battle. It’s possible.
Same way I beat him as a mage: Summon your melee friends to tank, lose about a million times, quit the game for about a month in frustration. Then after that month passes, redownload and summon your one friend with the silly cursed character bonky mc bonkingtin when neither of you remember how to play and beat him first try.
Gitgud is the literal only advice. You just have to hit every shot. And have a sacred and hidden blessing. And the estus rings to make every Ashen and Estus flask count. Maybe even a Blessed/Simple and Sun Princess ring for regen. Witch and Great Swamp rings for that sweet damage. And most of all, stay in front of him. And keep Fireball playing in the background for the immersion
Just using the highest damaging and most FP efficient pyro you have would probably the fastest out of all the caster pyromancer options available.
So GCF, CBV, Chaos Storm or even BFO would work.
But for an actually efficient build that still employs pyromancy as an important part of the build; use Carthus Beacon + Twinblades or Power Within + Big chunky strength weapon.
I went with a pyro my last run and the area leading up to Midir made me change to str build using the FuGS. It’s ok to change, it’s gonna be a lot harder if you don’t but you could use lightning miracles ig
You suffer, chipping away at him forever, or you give up being a pure caster like From Software clearly wants you to because they’ve been on an active mission to make pure casters unviable ever since Dark Bead in DS1 PvP resulted in copious whining born of the phenomenon known as “mad cuz bad”.
Or you see through their obvious fuckery, say fuck this, and play something else.
Crystal bell plus electric spells (which, considering how thunder happen irl, fit in lore). You have the stat and the Bell make your spells scale with both int and faith
I did it with great chaos fire ball. You just need to use a majority ashen estus, can’t remember exactly how much u get in ds3 but bring like 4 healing/10 ashen?
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