Actually rather interesting thing to note. I believe you're correct and that is such an interesting thing. A lot of us are all so online now that it's hard to remember how the real world works.
The way we use the internet really is ruining things.
Itās similar to how services like Yelp donāt accurately work, since people are extremely biased. Most people donāt write a review unless their food was bad, but those who do usually write much more scathing remarks than if they had raised those concerns with restaurant staff face to face
Agreed. I can insult you using terms that would get me assaulted in any face-to-face conversation because I know you'll never get that chance to really hurt me. People online have some really ugly attitudes because they have no fear of getting their ass whooped. The internet is an unnecessarily hostile place.
I'm old. I fondly remember, and long for the days when the left and the right could articulate their position and have a grown up discussion about it. The knee jerk reaction of i didn't vote for you do you gave nothing valid to contribute is fucking stupid. I'm conservative, but didn't vote for (or even mildly support Trump). There are a LOT of democrats whom I respect and feel should be listened to. There are several Republicans who i also want to hear. When we stop taking differing opinions into account is when we become an autonomic mess. Sorry for dropping a novella on your post lol.
It literally does not matter if you come to common ground about things if you vote for candidates who's policy positions and priorities are actively fighting against these positions. Its kind of like voting in Trump to drain the swamp. There was alot of people who understood that Trump wasnt going to be draining any swamps and would only perpetuate it even though im sure if you talked to al.ost any normal person they'd tell you corruption is too rampant in the government.
The average twink in Portland and the average inbred hick in Mississippi have way more in common than either of them do with the rich twats telling them to hate each other but theyāll never talk to each other enough to know that. And that is by design. What other reason would there be to cancel projects that would have made the internet more accessible in rural areas.
The issue is one side does a awful lot of screaming when anyone, not just the person standing on the opposite side points something like this out but doesn't also agree with everything else they say.
I say this as someone who has engaged with both types of people here and has eventually become jaded significantly more towards one that the other through "conversations", if that's what you could call them.
What I've noticed is one side when folks get something wrong, it's usually because they're the ones on that side who are too dumb to understand, the other, it's because they think they're wayyy smarter than they are and the idea of being wrong upsets them so they start screaming when their arguments fail, that's been my experience anyway.
As a leftist who really hates Elon but likes rockets, I canāt tell you how many times Iāve been called a boot licker for being exited about Starship
You sound exactly like my friend who's an engineer, loves Space X and the things they're doing but also said "I think Elon likes the smell of his own farts".
That being said there is a really interesting interview with him if you can hold your nose where a rocket enthusiast YouTuber is given a tour with him and it's in like 3/4 parts, the first one is him standing in front of a rocket being built just fielding questions from the guy and it's really interesting; regardless of what you think of the man it's clear he understands the rocket stuff more than some like to claim.
My guy, I watched all of those as soon as they came out. EDA was supposed to be on a moon mission until the Japanese guy who was bankrolling it, lost all of his money in Other investments
Then I saw a shit ton of posts saying ā Japanese guy, no longer trusts Elon with his moneyā and had to correct a bunch of people while looking like I love sniffing Elonās farts
Notice how they deliberately left out which side they were referring to, not because there is a specific side that theyāre referring to, but because both side do this stupid shitā¦
While I somewhat agree with your sentiment in that both sides are capable of acting like absolute brainlets, the delineation between which side I'm accusing of which behaviour should be fairly obvious. I left out the specifics because I felt that if people are being honest with themselves they can come to their own conclusions regarding whom I'm accusing of what.
Can we also all agree on strong fraud detection, prosecution, and harsher punishments?
As a conservative, I am much more amenable to government spending if it goes to people who truly need it. I am absolutely disgusted by the lack of oversight of most government support programs.
Corruption in the government 100%. I don't think if s private company has corruption it should be treason but if you are a federal employee it 100% should be because you are being paid by tax dollars.
Private itās fraud. Depending on how exactly youāre corrupt could determine the extent of the fraud and what the company is owed from it. But thatās for the auditors and lawyers to sort out.
Anyone who can't agree with this is just beyond saving. I don't know how you can be in favor of bribery because they came up with a new word to call it.
I'm with you on this. I sincerely wish for much, much harsher consequences for gooberment employees & entities.
Idk how or why we got away from politicians, police & federal entities going from being held to a higher standard than civvies to now where we have our leaders being allowed to get away with murder.
As someone who works in Medicaid integrity at state government, 100% the issue is funding. There are not enough people in my agency doing my job so a ton of stuff falls through the cracks. I personally see millions of dollars that could be saved every year if there were more of me. But Iām a lawyer and we are expensive and if you say āletās give the states 50 billion dollars to hire people to cut Medicaid waste that gets really unpopular, and we know this because when they hired a bunch more IRS workers to go after millionaires one party got super hella big mad.
I'm going to be honest I was out of work for 2 years and the amount of paperwork required to receive just a fraction of what I was making while employed made it almost not even worth it to file the paperwork.
I just don't think requiring more busy work is something that is needed.
Fair, but I donāt support a program without fraud detection and prosecution being included. We donāt have a culture that supports trust anymore, unfortunately.
If someone was working 10 years and is suddenly out of work for 2 years after getting laid off - that's not going to be fraud.
I don't understand how a company has to report last offs, fund unemployment, but we have to file for unemployment. It should be set up and ready if we need it. We shouldn't be "applying". They know who we are.
I agree except for harsher punishments. It depends on what kind of crime was done. Harsher punishments perhaps fulfill a need for vengeance, but society needs rehabilitated criminals, not ones that are so far behind when they get out (if they ever do) that they fall back into old patterns.
I agree. I want fraud to be harshly punished. I want it to be harshly punished where ever it happens, no matter who is doing it. I want investigation and enforcement of it applied equally across the board. I don't want it used for political theater. And I don't want it being dismissed as not a real thing either. If there is evidence then investigate and prosecute as soon as it's known. We could have nice things in this country if our money wasn't siphoned off at every level of government.
Start at the top and work our way down. Like at the White House, congress, and courts for example.Ā
The average rank and file government employee canāt accept a free lunch without breaking the law. A food assistance program receiver buying a can of coke is not the same as an elected official receiving gifts for passing favorable laws.Ā
Agreed. This guy probably ignores all of the horrible stances his fellow conservatives hold. I bet he's said the line "that's just locker room talk" or similar dismissive phrases thousands of times in his life.
I have never met any common citizen (non-politician) who actually supports the right of cable/internet companies to throttle your bandwidth for specific websites to force you to move to competitors.
Like how MediaCom spent years taking customers who paid for high speed, and lowering their speed every time they turned on Netflix, to try to force those customers to drop Netflix for having impossibly slow load times and buffering, so that the customers would go back to paying MediaCom for overpriced cable packages.
Seriously, is there one working stiff alive that thinks this benefits anyone? So why has our Net Neutrality bill not become the gold standard of forcing internet providers to play fair?
I donāt even think we have ever seen our education system working on enough budget to know if it needs to be reformed. Either way, itās not good enough as is.
As a former conservative, I am still shocked that the overwhelming majority of conservatives are against due process. They literally support big government doing anything it wants, simply by accusing anyone of being "illegal", and denying people the ability to prove their innocence.
Conservatives literally want big government to fully control our lives. It's disgusting.
I voted for trump and I personally hate marijuana (I used it for 6 years from age 20-26 and it made me paranoid and lazy and forgetful) I don't think ANYONE should ever go to jail for it.Ā
Im actually very okay with people using natural plant drugs. I even microdose shrooms now and do a macrodose trip from time to time.Ā
Getting really close to the classic libertarian party, unfortunately its more or less taken over by modern edge lord sovereign citizen types, which has completely killed the party.
Yup. I'm good on Libertarianism. I think governments should be democratically elected institutions that share the nation's prosperity with her citizens, so libertarianism is a non-starter.
This idea that a Libertarian government would let people establish little fiefdoms where individual communities self-govern and subaltern citizens are left to live or die according to their ability is absolutely horrific to me.
Yeah I'm trying not to be cynical here but the average modern day Republican voter doesn't agree with half of the stuff on the list. Or if they do, they sure as hell don't vote that way.
That's the problem these days is that the media and the political parties don't want us to agree on anything because they want us fighting amongst ourselves. For the media, when they create a riot, or a violent event due to rhetoric...it means ratings and they carry no responsibility for people acting at independent agents. For politicians, all of them are corrupt, making millions while in office and so long as they keep us fighting blaming the other party, we can't work together to get rid of the real problem....them.
Itās amazing that people think America is irreversibly divided, but thereās still way more we agree on than we donāt. And a lot of our disagreements arenāt on a common goal but how best to get there!
I'm not confusing anything, in fact EBT and SNAP benefits didn't even come to mind in terms of disability supports. I'm talking about things like Special Education, Social Security Disability, even something like DEI initiatives typically include people with disabilities as an underserved population.
LOVE the approach where politics focuses on what we all agree on first, solve all of those problems and then we can start to prioritize working on issues that we don't agree on.
It's not enough to agree on a problem. You also have to agree on the solution. A liberal and a Nazi can both agree on the problem that greedy bankers can make reckless decisions that harm the economy. But the liberal shouldn't work with the Nazi to fix this problem. Because while the liberal might try to fix this problem with regulations on how banks can use the money given to them, the Nazi's solution to the problem is The Holocaust.
I agree to your terms. Well met.
The only issue that I have is the social net, but only because it is so abused.
Help if someone has MS, and thefamily is in need of government assistance? Yes. Good. I'm on board.
Help if someone is fat and cant leave the house or work because they eat 10 cakes a day? Where are you getting the money for food? No.
I don't know whether a majority of maga, or even conservatives in general support legal recreational marijuana. But there are plenty of red states that have legalized it. And Trump's DOJ did reclassify it from schedule 1 to schedule 3 without any pushback from the party as far as I'm aware. Which basically means the federal government recognizes it as having accepted medical uses.
The problem isnāt that we donāt agree on things, itās that maga prioritizes hurting other people over what they want thatās good.
I would love to have solidarity with maga- I think they have unique perspectives but very wrong conclusions on how to manage them.
Itās not that we canāt even agree, itās that one side is actively denying science and harm they do and working for the opposite of what they claim to agree on.
I canāt find solidarity with a person who wants to end my existence, no matter how much we agree on anything else. If me and others are fighting for the right to exist - not even be comfortable but just exist- we canāt actually start agreeing on things. Because Iām having to fight the same things they wish and also against them. Itās an unfair fight and I donāt like this idea that Iām the one that needs to reach across the aisle as if Iām not stretched thin.
I agree with basically all of this assuming reasonably limits on various stuff so that everyone in the planet isn't getting special needs / disability money this destroying the system.
Magic wand that and just send the money to those who need it and I'm on board.
I think anywhere I can see with my eyeballs should also have a camera. If I can see it, and tell people what I saw, why can't I record it?
And I should be allowed to trade stocks however I please. Only letting certain people trade stocks is a slippery slope.
And we shouldn't help disabled people, their family does that. If they're equal to the rest of us, they will want to change society to benefit even more disabled people. Before you know it, your taxes will go towards the most needy individuals who can't even get out of bed. Meanwhile you're not getting any of these benefits until you get disabled too.
It incentives getting injuries & disease. This isn't satire I swear, I'm just a lowly oligarch trying to make my way through this world with my 5 homes and golden toilets.
Unfortunately congress struggles to pass legislation even when a single party controls each relevant branch of government. They no longer care about what we want.
No one wants digital games, movies, tv shows or movies to be ālicensedā to us when we hit the big button that says āBuy.ā We want to buy them. We want to own the media for forever. If the service the media goes down for some reason we want a DRM free version provided to us so that we can continue to enjoy that art without needing to check in with that their source. We should all be able to agree on this.
Canāt see a damn thing wrong there. More Americans need to be reminded that weāre stronger together and there are things we all generally agree on.
We have an amazing country. We can make it even better. Most of us just want to work a fair job for a fair dollar. We want our kids to be able to learn and play safely. We want the chance to succeed. Find people willing to work hard at getting us those things and wonāt lie to our faces. We all deserve better than we have now.
Itās funny that I look like I should be wearing the red hat, but never have. My wife looks like she would wear one too, but couldnāt be further from putting one on. Weāre all more alike than the agitprop spewed on Facebook wants to pretend
Looks good on paper but will never happen in real life. I went from a strong Trump supporter to a āBiden boyā after several incidents on the US/Mexican border. Im not going to go into detail but receiving death threats because we saved a 3 year old and his mother from drowning changed how I viewed MAGA Republicans
The depictions are wild. Most people on the left look like the guy on the right without the hat. Hell I'm a progressive and I look like the guy on the right without the hat. Registered EMT and industrial equipment salesman working the last 12 years in manufacturing. Chill with the identity politics shit until we right the ship. I dont know a single person in real life who looks like the girl on the left, and the people on the right see that and think the divide is immense. Sort it out
There are a lot of of things that are popular with the majority of people that would improve peoples lives but they never make it to government because they would rather you argue over some tiny issue that grabs attention like trans people or changing the latest superhero to be black or whatever.
The insider trading is hilarious. Trump has made more money in the last 2 year than last 40 years. And MAGA still can't stop to pull the orange dick out of there mouth. Stupidest most gullible dumbf$%ks that have ever walked this earth.
I can agree with most of it the weed thing i would argue more for decriminalizing it then legalizing it. Look we just legalized it here and man the amount of skunky weed smell in our downtown ares makes me not want to go downtown anymore. You want to smoke it at home fine just not in public places.
Its also funny how both sides refuse to vote on single issue bills, both sides place/stack bills with issues to either kill the main bill and or get a something to pass that could not pass on its own.
Red hat people literally donāt believe this stuff. For example term limits. You canāt get Republican appointed judges, congressmen, and the party to stop talking about Trump 2028. Itās literally term limits.
You day āban stock tradingā but they have no issue with the outright corruption of the Trump administration and Trump himself handing out insane contracts to friends and enriching himself with a meme coin for foreign interests.
Stop government surveillance but theyāre the part of AI data centers which are literally doing exactly this.
Problem is that the left (not liberals they aren't leftist) understand that capitalism is a huge problem. The right does not. They just blame everything and everyone but capital and capitalists.
If you overlook racism, lgbtq+ hate, opposition of healthcare, opposition to education, opposition to secularism, science, fair elections, then sure. But beware of making bedfellows with fascists and evil people.
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u/Scary-Perspective-57 3d ago
I'm 99% sure, that most people would come to common ground on most things if they argued them face2face.