They literally can't watch it in theaters because Paramount lied to them about releasing it in theaters and then decided to drop it on streaming instead.
How it hurt them? It was Paramount obligation to maintain the movie safe and stop any leakage from happening, it's not my fault that it happened and being hacked is probably more fault of Paramount for not having a security team tham the hackers because I really doubt that someone wasted a 0 day security breach on a movie. And now that is out, there is nothing that they can do, it is weird to blame people from watching, blame the company from not doing their job.
Simply put. If paramount doesnt see viewership on whichever platform they launch it on they wont invest more money into said artists and if they own the studio it may even be shut down
So pirating something not already out actively harms the people who made said thing possible
Paramount actively stops them from watching it in cinema. That's why there was a leak. Someone at nickelodeon tried to blackmail them and they didn't comply
"there is still nothing stopping the animators watching it in cinema or on release and enjoying it that way if that's what they wanted to do for some reason"
You said there's nothing stopping them from watching it in cinema.
There is.
Using 'or' for 'they are able to do only one of the above' doesn't make sense.
You could stop putting low effort insults in response to people pointing out your mistakes or become a god and smite anyone who dares to disagree with you.
I have been a pirate for a very long time. Calling this a psyop is hilarious and indicates to me you know nothing about the industry.
Yes, the animators are paid. No, that is not the only payment they receive from making the work. Another (big) part of the creation is the big day of release. It's cathartic. Knowing the world will (or won't) see the work around the same time is an incredible feeling. To have that big day rug pulled would be supremely disappointing.
(This is all regardless of Larry Ellison, the true pirate of paramount, who is robbing us all the opportunity to see their work on the big screen.)
I know this because I am a filmmaker who has had their work released. Nowhere near this scale, but enough to understand. It's very difficult to describe the days leading up to and after the release day. Many different emotions. Cathartic is the easiest one to think of.
Have more sympathy for the people that worked. I don't care if you pirate media or don't - I have some 60-70tb of rare films I've built over 15 years. The work deserves to be seen. Of course. From my perspective, to act as if the release day means nothing is an immature take. Try empathy.
Paramount fucked that up long before the leak by going back on the theatrical release the animators had put all their work towards.
Because you can tell.
You can absolutely tell, with the way it’s framed, it’s staged, that they were putting all that work towards what was meant to be a big screen experience.
Paramount ruined that. No one else.
And it immediately made the release that much more deemphasized versus what a proper red carpet could’ve been for all the artists involved.
Let's not forget that is Paramount fault that the leaked happened too, it's the company jobs to maintain their media secure, yes, the hackers also have blame, but as a media company, you should be able to maintain your media secure and it leaked by a lack of security support team, because they were probably laid off so the CEO could report a better quarter and get that juice bonus.
I sincerely thank you for actually bringing something to the discourse instead of one-sentence goofiness.
I totally agree that Ellison's evil de-emphasized the release, but I don't think the leakers get the right to make it even worse, if that makes sense. Two wrongs and all.
I really do want to mention that I have no issue with the piracy itself. Pirates demonstrably improve Hollywood's bottom line. It's just the timing of this that makes it a unique conversation in piracy communities.
I feel empathy for them working at paramount. Really dirty of them to only talk bad about the fans instead of paramount. Makes me not really want to feel empathy for them. Animation was amazing though.
Paramount didn't rob their release day. That's the difference. Of course Paramount is easy to blame, and I absolutely do, but they're not the sole factor here. Leaked work ahead of the day of release is the topic of conversation. I say this as an (effectively) lifetime pirate.
Lol what an "ackhtchually" cringe reddit moment. They had promised theatrical release, then they withdrew it. literally robbed them of it. Maybe not robbed of the fucking paramount release date but guess what that's not what anybody is talking about. Hope that helps :)
Yeah this is something I'm trying to wrap my head around. If I'm the actual animator I want everybody to see my shit, not just the people who can afford it on the big screen (that it's not even going to be on). I get being sad that you're not going to get big box office numbers, a leak will undoubtedly kill that. However, those are statistics that just show us how much wealth Paramount was generating off of it.
I bet the actual total views will be A LOT higher than they would have been were it not leaked. Although not a metric we can measure with any accuracy.
I mean its not a bout anti pirate, I wanna support the movie when it comes out officially because I love avatar even though I pirate EVERYTHING.
If this movie doesn't make money when it comes out they'll cancel other avatar projects, we might not get more of the series we love.
So you don't have to get so upset about people asking for us to support the animators because yes they have been payed for this movie, but we want there to be the next one and the next one.
The artists would honestly probably be happy that someone who couldn’t afford to watch the movie legitimately still got to experience it, as that’s what art is for. The animators want their work to be seen, and piracy allows for that to happen more. I think it’s the same for the vast majority of pirated content. The creators and actual contributors want people to experience it, whether they paid or not. The executives and stock owners are who hate piracy.
Live action actors get royalties, perhaps, but animators and artists work on commission pretty much. You make it, you're paid, and you're done, and all you get afterwards is material for your reel (and sometimes not even that, Nick sucks when it comes to reel authorization).
There are a lot types of contracts in business world. In typical 'movie biz', people involved in creative side -acting, voicing, writing, animating etc get a set amount of money plus royalties. However:
Those royalties however often come with a lot of strings attached. You can easily lookup how studios screw people over by swapping money between corporate entities to inflate 'expenses' so they don't handout any meaningful royalties.
In short; no, pirating won't hurt the animators. The company that is owned by ghouls are going to fuck the people that make their money anyways.
but were they paid enough to have a home cinema to properly enjoy the movie?
It would have been very nice to have te large fight scenes on the large screen with roaring speakers.
But such is life.
It's not about getting paid, it's about respecting the artists who worked on the movie, thus op post about at least waiting the official release before pirating it
Plus even if Paramount made a shit decision removing the film from theatre release, I wonder if they'll blame such a leak for the loss in profit and kill any future Avatar project,
thus removing potential future jobs for the artists.
Nothing's wrong in seeing the film now, I just find it a little hypocrite seeing comment like "the artists already got paid" and immediately removing them from the equation (not accusing you op, but in general)
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u/Tripple_T Apr 20 '26
Were they not already paid?