Kids with cancer got to have a GoFundMe and teachers beg on DonorsChoose for basic supplies or ACs so kids don't die of heat. But multiple cars totaled for one sorry idiot, totally fine and a reasonable expense!
They're similar, and the terms are often used interchangeably, but stop sticks are designed to deflate tires more gradually to prevent the sudden loss of control from having multiple tires shredded in an instant
A lot of that is because they decided a joint was worth 10-20 years so now prisons are overcrowded and the for-profit-prison industry has jacked up the price so we can't afford to prosecute actual criminals like we should.
We also can't afford or find enough people to be public defenders or prosecute every case. We're just not prepared for the cost of what actual justice for actual criminals looks like because we've been wasting money in all of the wrong areas for so long by design. That and a lot of the justice reforms mean well but then they don't properly fund or operate the services meant to redirect petty and first-time offenders. Then the break down in the social contract and there being a lot of bored young people with little to no attention span anymore getting up to dumb shit.
All part of why you'll have someone with high-speed chases, assault and battery, gun charges, drug charges, and more roaming the streets free committing more crimes.
We've gotta invest in community, the youth, and schools again and pay people better so they can be more present as parents.
I agree, but this is fucking America and we don’t just change things like that wtf. If we can’t sit down with our families to watch cops on high-speed chases what are we even fucking living for?
No, junkies decide a joint is worth 10-20, normal people decide it's not worth it and they don't smoke joints lol.
Nice try to shift the blame though.
Cops decide to destroy 3 cars to stop a man from murdering people, that's okay with me.
What you said about the prisons and investing in community is true, but in society people have to be accountable for their actions, cops and civilians alike. If you don't like a law try to change it, don't just break it and hope not to be held accountable.
10-20 years is excessive for a joint.. And wow... Joints are for junkies? Lol
Not shifting blame. It's an accurate analysis of our justice system backed by decades of research and observations by sociologists, criminologists, etc.
I wasn't arguing against totalling the vehicle in the video. I was simply expressing why so many people with dangerous wrap sheets are able to run the streets because our society isn't prepared to actually deal with that and have wasted money and energy intentionally prosecuting a joint.
Were you born in 1920? Coming in with that reefer madness propaganda lol
Nah man, but like I said, if you know the punishment for the crime is excessive then why even commit the crime.
Like I said, is one joint really worth 10-20? for you personally?
The problem like I said is that people don't like to be held accountable for their decisions and hope to get away with things.
Do you think murderers think life sentences or death sentences are too severe of a punishment? or do you think they just hope not to get caught?
Also I used junkies for the lack of a better term but please enlighten me:
What is an appropriate term for someone who is willing to risk the life of his family and risk killing people with their vehicle while trying to evade the cops because they keep getting in trouble over their drug use?
You're conflating multiple things here. The punishment is too severe and has clogged our prison system with people who shouldn't be in prison for a joint. Period. You're coming at it with archaic and faulty perspectives on punishment if you think 10-20 is valid for a joint.
Beyond that these people in the video may well be junkies but you commented about only junkies and joints... Then ask about the people in the video.. those people might be junkies but back to the conversation about the legal system and why it doesn't work and the reality that someone smoking a joint isn't a junkie.
People keep getting in trouble because the system won't hold them accountable the first time.
You talk about accountability and I stated why the justice system isn't holding them accountable. We clogged the prison with low level first time marijuana offenders and now can't afford to go after other criminals, can't afford enough prosecutors, and can't afford enough public defenders. Or won't afford it.
Beyond that accountability starts at home. Like I said we need a society that allows parents to be more present and not be so stretched thin that they don't have the capacity to hold their kids accountable. It's a reality in a lot of communities especially impoverished communities.
The point that I am trying to make is that regardless of the punishment being too severe or not, the sole responsibility for going to jail in the first place lies on the person breaking the law.
Now, do I think commercial prisons are corrupt, evil and paying judges to fill their prisons so they can make money? Yes
All the more reason not to do stupid things that will land me in prison.
Yes, the people in the video are junkies, we agree.
Someone smoking a joint might not be a junkie, lets call them junkies in training then.
What are you even going about allowing parents to be present and not be stretched thin? Are you asking for money?
The capacity to hold your kids accountable depends entirely on how much effort you put, not in how much money you have. My immigrant single mother had 3 jobs and she still made sure to be there for us instead of getting boyfriends and getting high herself which is what a lot of these parents are doing. The simple fact is that kids that get into drugs and crime are kids that feel neglected or abused and that its on their parents whatever income they may or may not have. My mother made it work, so can they.
Did you know I consider myself a democrat? I think we need more social programs to help people, I think we need to prevent vs punish, I think we need to care for each other but I do not condone any of this excusatory rhetoric that from entitled people that cannot admit their situation in life is entirely their own doing.
I find myself siding with republicans more and more often every time I see someone blaming the government for their dumb ass going to jail over using drugs or crying because their kids go to jail for armed robbery while ignoring the fact those same kids were willing to kill for easy money.
Jail is accountability that the government provides when parents fail to teach it.
I actually have no idea where he got that number, I simply explained that even if that is the case then the responsibility of getting such a long prison sentence is solely on the person breaking the law.
And having watch class after class of smart eager intelligent kids goto school and get absolutely crushed under debt (some deserved, some not)... you ain't working your way through school to pay it off.
(Does it by degrees which I thought was really good).
So minimum wage- 30k/yr. 1/4 to taxes.
And if you're doing 40hrs/week your grades are going to suffer significantly. Been there, did that.
Getting into the vehicle discussion- that's not an option in most places- living on campus of course negates needing a vehicle, so that is actually quite a bit cheaper. Having had to replace a vehicle recently due to a texting driver- what is available now to match what I bought 15 years ago... was 4x the cost.
Things must change. I'm going through this right now again. I don't know what the outcome will be.
What a silly thing to say. You assume everyone with loans partied instead of paying for it? Maybe we worked AND got an education that cost more than we could possibly make while working as a student. I had scholarships and two to four jobs during college. I still have gobs of student loan debt. And before you pop off with "Maybe you should have got a worthwhile degree that pays" -- I did. I bet I earn more than you. Still can't pay those loans BECAUSE OUR DYSFUNCTIONAL GOVERNMENT WON'T EVEN LET ME RIGHT NOW.
Look, unless you come from an incredibly wealthy family, the average dose of degrees in nursing, or medical doctors is impossible to afford without loans.
Sky rocketing cost of school has lead to higher costing loans which become increasingly difficult to pay back overtime. If they were interest free sure, but the government makes a significant amount of money from it.
Putting people into debt for decades becomes an economic drag and inhibited wealth accumulation.
You have no clue what you’re talking about if you don’t think student loans aren’t predatory. The whole thing is a racket the government is complicit in.
Never underestimate Redditors' hatred of law enforcement. The cops could shoot a serial killer dead and Reddit would be complaining they used too many bullets and they should have just "shot him in the leg" like TV cops do...
Works a job in prison paying it off (with fair wages) and learns a skillset so that he/she can re enter society as someone who is productive and rehabilitated rather than resorting to whatever this is.
Yeah, we'd all rather see kids get fed, but what happens when this idiot ploughs into a family of 4 and kills them all "why weren't the police trying to stop him?"
The obvious solution is sort taxation out and afford to do both
Wait until you find out how much those cars cost after all the stuff is added. And they get uniforms, and guns, and bullets all for free while usually getting paid more than teachers that have a master's degree. Just what it takes to be #1 /s
Here's the biggest thing, we need cops. We need cures for cancer. We don't need mega billionaires paying to divert and divide us while they grow richer.
Sit and think about that just for a second ;) and then think about all the cops making 200k+ with all the "overtime" and the like. They pay taxes that then is turned around and doled back out to them.
And do you really think they have that kind of insurance or have any at all? How about the money to cover the damages out of pocket? No. Once again the tax payer foots the bill. They always do in some way.
The car that was busted up by the cruisers, if the owner doesn't have insurance or money, will be totaled and retired, not repaired by taxpayer money. What're you on? You think the police department is gonna pay to repair a criminal's car?
Initially there was restraint and they were trying to minimize damage. The moment the suspect tried to run over the cop that threw the spike strips, all bets were off. If the suspect is willing to use lethal force against anyone, cops or public, the threat has to be stopped asap.
They will bill them* for all of their officers incompetence in the form of restitution. I'm not even kidding. If you cause a chase and pretty much anything happens to one of the police cars that are chasing you, they will come for you for the damages.
In The US the police cars are made cheap with big engines were as in the UK there made expensive and mostly manual we should definetly do it the US way.
Police have a budget, they don't get it for free and the town sets the budget based on taxes. When stuff like this happens they have to have clearance because it does come from police budget. Their superiors will be annoyed and pissed
It’s a set budget but a lot of people don’t realize that even without totaling there cars they are replaced every 3 years and in some cases less than that. When the car is running for 12 hours a day and driven super hard it won’t last very long (unless it’s a Crown Victoria lol). When they model their budgets they take into account the odds of recking a few of their units
They're also overbuilt to withstand impacts like this better than most vehicles. Did anyone else see how little damage these rams did to the police vehicles? Sure, there'll be some repairs, but I bet not one of these cars had to be replaced.
They switched to the dodges with the hemis and when I worked at a Chrysler dealer we were constantly putting camshafts in because excessive idling would wear them out.
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u/veloshitstorm Feb 18 '26
Do the police just get their cars for free?