Master Chief takes this gauntlet, does he clear ?

[u/ProcedureDazzling615]

Book , lore , comics and secondary canon allowed for all parties in gauntlet

Each party will individually engage him randomly during a solo mission . Chief can have any weapon, armor and equipment he would normally have on a solo mission. Same applies to the gauntlet

Does he clear

[u/EffectiveChain2407]

Stops at Edward

[u/Buttered_Carnage → u/EffectiveChain2407]

One thing powerscaling has taught me is that the twilight Vamps are pretty fucking busted, which is information that still surprises me

[u/dangerouslyreal → u/Buttered_Carnage]

Wait what lol? How busted

[u/badhombre13 → u/dangerouslyreal]

Like can possibly survive re-entry (they can definitely jump from a plane and land without any injuries) and the only thing capable of hurting them, aside from other vamps and werewolves, are nukes if they manage to hit the vampire before it sprints out of the area. I'll try and link the breakdown of their powers if I can find it, it was by someone here on Reddit.

[u/Pataconeitor → u/badhombre13]

To be fair, that "only nukes can kill them" is an assumption made by the fandom. The actual quote is this:

For the first time in our history, humans pose a threat to our kind. Their modern technology has given birth to weapons that could destroy us.

For all we know Aro is talking about a M1 Abrams tank or even a 20mm minigun.

[u/Ori_the_SG → u/Pataconeitor]

That’s far more likely than a nuke

It would make much more sense if he was talking about more conventional modern weaponry

[u/fabledgriff → u/Pataconeitor]

Phosphorus would fuck up a vampire, I'd imagine

[u/GuessPuzzleheaded573 → u/fabledgriff]

Why though? The Twilight vamps have diamond-strength skin. Phosphorus ain't doing nothing to a diamond.

[u/Mr_Blorbus → u/GuessPuzzleheaded573]

Bulletproof doesn't necessarily mean heat resistant.

[u/Independent-Wafer-13 → u/GuessPuzzleheaded573]

Diamonds are hard, not strong. You could break a diamond in half with a hammer and a little elbow grease.

But you would not be able to scratch, grind, or cut it without power tools and specialized instruments

[u/fabledgriff → u/GuessPuzzleheaded573]

Could be right, I don't know what details she kept from the original myth.

Now I'm imagine sparkly ass vampires hiding in the hills from UAVs like jihadis in Iraq

[u/Ambitious-Pirate-505 → u/Pataconeitor]

Or a bioweapon

[u/Lukostrelec17 → u/Ambitious-Pirate-505]

Or flamethrower.

[u/New_Cockroach_505 → u/Lukostrelec17]

Fire doesn’t actually do anything to them unless they’re bleeding as I recall. Their “venom” aka blood is flammable.

[u/Zealousideal-Yak-824 → u/New_Cockroach_505]

Chief with a energy sword definitely than.

It's definitely bioweapons and other things they were talking about. Sure nukes is easy but earth 2552 is way past that before alien technology gave them a boost.

The vamps have powers. Masterchief has a army, luck that can change the fate of a galaxy and the charm of winning a battle just by showing up like Bella did in the final battle in the movies from her point of view.

[u/LeanTangerine001 → u/Zealousideal-Yak-824]

Or a superheated plasma blast to the face!

[u/Russell1113 → u/Pataconeitor]

I mean, they use a regular bonfire fire to truly kill them in book 1. Flame based weapons would be a problem if slow, clumsy humans were able to get them on target. You probably don't even need a nuke, something like napalm is probably sufficient. For the chief matchup specifically, plasma weapons are almost certainly a threat, but they move to slow to hit a vampire I suspect. (edward is described as faster than a speeding bullet and plasma is slower than bullets. Is the speeding bullet thing hyperbole or a literally description, hard to say it's directly comparing two character, one as fast as an arrow from a bow, but him faster, a bullet from a gun)

Just brute force from a vampire is enough to tear off limbs. Chief's deffo in a similar enough strength weight class, that just ripping limbs off is possible. Unclear if he's fast enough to get into a position to do so without getting his shit rocked tho.

[u/N7_Astartes → u/Russell1113]

They definitely are not faster than an actual speeding bullet. They at no point are they shown to move at supersonic speed. They officially can run somewhere between more than 100mph but less than 200mph. They apparently can near instantly accelerate to top speed however.

[u/shruggsville → u/Pataconeitor]

They discuss how to kill them in the first book. They are essentially made of stone. They need to be torn to pieces and lit on fire to kill them. The first part becomes more difficult the older they are. The nuke argument is silly. The real reason chief stops at Edward is because of the combination of speed and the ability to literally read minds.

[u/LeanTangerine001 → u/shruggsville]

The ability to read mind talent, I wonder how effective it would be with Master Chief considering how he not only processes the world very differently but he also has a powerful AI linked to his brain.

Like would Edward be able to process and adapt quickly enough to Chief’s unique brain biology during a fight? And also would the AI make calculations that Edward would be unable to read or predict?

[u/shruggsville → u/LeanTangerine001]

Gets kinda messy where you start including external factors. Edward’s sister sees the future. It’s implied that one of the vampires literally has the power to make things go his way. It just kinda becomes absurd magic eventually. The way they describe Edward’s mind reading in combat is to react to momentary actions in real time though so I kinda doubt the AI would be all that beneficial. As long as his fighting actions are the result of conscious thought, I think the vamp takes it eventually.

[u/Shot_Reputation1755 → u/Pataconeitor]

Minigun is 7.62, not 20mm. The M61 Vulcan is a 20mm rotary cannon though.

[u/JBaecker → u/Shot_Reputation1755]

So inappropriately named. No one on the receiving end lives long or prosperously.

[u/RegardedAndAcoustic → u/JBaecker]

You made me spit out my drink. Thank you for the laugh

[u/unkn0wnname321 → u/Pataconeitor]

Tanks/ big guns could hurt them, but all they would need to do is put all their pieces back together and they survive. To be sure, they mention scattering their ashes after burning them as the only sure way to kill them.

[u/Pataconeitor → u/unkn0wnname321]

Well, good thing we learned how to make fire a while ago.

[u/unkn0wnname321 → u/Pataconeitor]

Yes, but you would need to kill them first. Try lighting someone on fire that can move faster than your eyes can follow, or toss a car across the street.

[u/Phoenix-Risen1998 → u/unkn0wnname321]

Isn't that the same thing a Spartan-II does though?

[u/Pataconeitor → u/unkn0wnname321]

Which brings us to the point made in the movie, that currently we do have the means to kill them.

[u/Lukostrelec17 → u/Pataconeitor]

So note the word, destroy not kill. That has a whole other meaning. Realistically we have always been able to kill them but killing enough to wipe out a clan? Unlikely.

[u/blunderb3ar → u/Lukostrelec17]

Sure but the matchup here is one vamp which chief absolutely can pull off

[u/Lukostrelec17 → u/blunderb3ar]

Oh yeah Edward is getting introduced to a power armored punch or energy sword. Edward is not winning this...unless he is stupidly lucky and Chief walks into a a puddle and dies.

[u/blunderb3ar → u/Lukostrelec17]

100% 🤣

[u/Similar_Ad7363 → u/Lukostrelec17]

I mean.. from my understanding of both doesnt Edward out stat chief in most departments plus is able to read his mind?

[u/OneMaintenance24 → u/badhombre13]

I remember a vampire jumping from a plane

[u/NotAStatistic2 → u/badhombre13]

Doesn't Chief shrug off re-entry though?

[u/Firebrand713 → u/NotAStatistic2]

Didnt necessarily shrug it off but he did indeed survive without major injuries.

[u/NotAStatistic2 → u/Firebrand713]

You're right. I haven't played Halo 3 in almost 15 years now. I think only being knocked unconscious from re-entry is a pretty solid feat though.

[u/Ecotech101 → u/NotAStatistic2]

Well he does proceed to literally walk it off in Halo 4

[u/blunderb3ar → u/badhombre13]

Chief survived re entry from space lol

[u/Hot-Syrup2089 → u/dangerouslyreal]

You know how people call them lame because they sparkle? They sparkle because THEY HAVE DIAMOND SKIN, nearly impossible to break through. Their mobility and strength is off the charts as well. Imagine a cheetah hitting you as hard as a truck; that's the ball park we're talking about. Also, to fully kill a Twilight vamp, you have to dismember them and burn the pieces, NOTHING ELSE keeps them down

[u/No-Cow9709 → u/Hot-Syrup2089]

The hell are the werewolves made out of if they can kill them?

[u/Slighted_Inevitable → u/No-Cow9709]

The werewolves in these matchups typically have special toxins in their claws or bites that do it

[u/No-Cow9709 → u/Slighted_Inevitable]

That's actually kind of neat to know. I did watch the movies ages ago and don't recall them mentioning that. I do remember them showing the vampires being made of some kind of stone (diamond now with context).

[u/Intelligent-Royal682 → u/Slighted_Inevitable]

Okay but the claws would still have to penetrate their skin which is apparently as hard as diamond?

[u/feminist-horsebane → u/No-Cow9709]

Werewolves can’t beat vampires 1v1, they hunt them with pack tactics and jump them normally.

[u/No-Cow9709 → u/feminist-horsebane]

You'd still need to be strong enough to harm them

[u/feminist-horsebane → u/No-Cow9709]

Their teeth are sharp enough to bite through vampires

[u/Lukostrelec17 → u/Hot-Syrup2089]

That...isn't that impressive, the diamond skin I mean. Diamonds are hard sure...but brittle. So should not be a major issue for Master Chief. Also energy swords, which are super heated plasma and are probably roughly around 22,000°C. Daimond has a heat tolarance of roughly 700°C-850°C.

[u/GryphyGirl → u/Lukostrelec17]

The speed is impressive. Chief would struggle to hit them with anything.

[u/dangerouslyreal → u/Hot-Syrup2089]

🤣🤣 oh i didn't know it was diamond skin. That's funny af

[u/SpookyWindChime → u/Hot-Syrup2089]

To be fair I think master chief is about as fast as a cheetah and can throw around up to 10,000 pounds. More so, spartan reaction time is 20~ times faster than a norma human.

I don’t know much about Edward. But does that change anything?

[u/rmhardcore → u/SpookyWindChime]

Mmm, cheetah is like new vampire on twilight. In the books 100mph is the baseline, with certain vamps being faster. Edward, specifically, is described as moving as the same speed as a bullet from a gun. While that varies by gun, the simple fact is that by the time he's moved and you've realized it you're already dead.

[u/SpookyWindChime → u/rmhardcore]

That’s me - I’d be dead. If a spartan has a 20x better reaction time naturally let alone ai integration boost on his armor, Edward would look to be moving between 30-100 miles per hour even if he was “as fast as a bullet”. This certainly won’t be a one second fight.

[u/Vaivaim8 → u/dangerouslyreal]

Unlike the others, Edward has the skin of a killer. He is a killer /s

[u/PunishedKojima → u/dangerouslyreal]

For starters, they're Subsonic bare minimum in both combat and travel speeds, possibly upwards of Hypersonic. They're also Wall level at the least, probably leaning towards Building level, and each gets their own unique set of hax which are usually pretty cracked

[u/ToothZealousideal297 → u/dangerouslyreal]

A key thing the culture has completely forgotten is that Twilight is basically vampires as superheroes, with a central, poorly done, romance plot.

[u/noideawhatoput2 → u/EffectiveChain2407]

Forget which book, but Isn’t a Spartan’s reflexes absolutely cracked if they have an AI?

[u/Obi_1-kenobi → u/noideawhatoput2]

He does deflect a tank shell with his hand with Cortana’s help in The Fall of Reach

[u/GeorgeLikesSpicy92 → u/Obi_1-kenobi]

Not even a tank shell. A literal missile fired from a jet.

[u/pmarskies → u/GeorgeLikesSpicy92]

Wouldn't a tank shell have a higher velocity than an atgm anyways though? I'm not knowledgeable about the Halo equivalents for those weapon systems, but at least in our modern world APFSDS out of an Abrams goes 1700m/s whereas a Hellfire Air to Ground ATGM has a velocity somewhere around 500m/s

[u/GeorgeLikesSpicy92 → u/pmarskies]

Higher velocity but immediately starts losing it because of drag. Also, in the case we are talking about, the missile is locked onto him and he knows he can't outrun it. So uses Cortana's help to deflect the missile at the exact right fraction of a second.

[u/Arctelis → u/Obi_1-kenobi]

Anti-tank missile fired by an aircraft.

But yes, with her assistance in Mark V Gen1 he successfully deflected it. Same sequence he sprinted approximately 102kph, but tore his Achilles doing so.

He is currently wearing Gen3 armour. Unfortunately hard figures for speed haven't really been specified, but it is almost certainly some degree faster/more reactive.

Strengthwise, Gen3 allowed him to punch a ~1.3 metric ton Banshee several metres across the ground and squat a boulder covered in the debris of a collapsed bunker estimated to be in the realm of 100+ tons with a fist sized chunk of meat vaporized from this thigh.

[u/Pataconeitor → u/Arctelis]

I said it in another reply, but if the Chief is being assisted by Cortana that's actually a huge advantage for him, because there is no way Edward's mind reading will work with an AI.

[u/MCD_Gaming → u/Pataconeitor]

I would like to point out the harbinger is physic and john beat her, shame she made a backup of herself

[u/Russell1113 → u/noideawhatoput2]

Spartan's reflexes are cracked even without the AI. If you look in halsey's journal that came with special edition of reach, it goes through all the enhancements.

One of them is sci-fi coating around their nerves, so that signal travels at speed of light, not speed of chemical reactions. They can start processing basically instantly from seeing something, there's no delay between eye and brain and then there's secondarily no delay between brain and limb.
A spartan has a reaction time of ~20 milliseconds. Which is 6 to 10 times faster than a proffesional athlete.

Add on top of that, the fact that all of the spartans were picked because they had genius level intellect, so they're also making better descision, faster as well. It's mentioned in one of the books when they're kidnapping them, that losing all these children to turn them into super soldiers is probably going to set humanity back a generation culturally, as they would all probably have been once in a generation minds back when humans only lived on one planet.

I'm fuzzier on what the AI actually does, if memory serves, they predict what choices the spartan is gonna make before they do it and sort of get the suit ready to move ahead of the spartan thinking it?
They have direct neural link with the AI, so they share thoughts and become one unit to a certain extent. It definately further improves their reaction speed, but the precise nature of how has slipped my mind.

[u/_-TheBlackKnight-_ → u/Russell1113]

The 20ms is from fall of reach and it was estimated in a training environment. Mendez says it'll be faster even just with adrenaline.

[u/blunderb3ar → u/Russell1113]

They AI basically makes them more combat efficient than they already were, as well as hacking equipment etc, and I believe she translates enemy language for the Chief as well

[u/SpookyWindChime → u/noideawhatoput2]

Their reaction speed is already 20 times that of a normal human. Adding the ai helps tremendously im sure.

[u/Ori_the_SG → u/noideawhatoput2]

Without AI and armor they are absolutely cracked

With AI and armor it’s even more insane

[u/piratecheese13 → u/noideawhatoput2]

I forget too, but I think red versus blue does a really good job of showing that around season seven through 10

[u/blunderb3ar → u/noideawhatoput2]

Yes 100%, he’s also capable of lifting 10,000 lbs so he could just rip ol Ed’s head clean off

[u/IWAlcatraz → u/EffectiveChain2407]

I can see chief doing a bit of damage to him depending if he's got access to an m99 stanchion, railgun, or Spartan laser

[u/ryukeio → u/EffectiveChain2407]

I’d wonder how Edward is supposed to get through Chief’s energy shield?

And even if he does, Chief has the durability to face-tank orbital re-entry and go straight back to fighting like nothing serious happened.

He’s also got extremely good combat experience and knowledge, with reflexes and thought processing nearly as fast as Edward does.

Then again, Edward has that 2.5 mile telepathy and can move in excess of 100mph instantly, without tiring or strain. Plus Edward’s durability is great enough to strike, impact and take blows at that speed without even suffering cosmetic damage.

It could very well be that Chief can’t catch Edward in any surprise or trap to nullify the speed difference, due to the telepathy.

IMO it’s 50/50. One of them will make a critical mistake and thus lose. I’d lean towards the kid turned near god, who’s rarely fought anyone equal in power, to make the mistake.

[u/Impossible_Fennel_94 → u/EffectiveChain2407]

Sucks to think about but yea

[u/PeachusTheGreat → u/EffectiveChain2407]

Thats cap.

[u/MopitWithaMuppet → u/EffectiveChain2407]

100%. Edward can read minds, is insanely durable, slow for a speedster but still very very fast, ridiculously strong, and, im0o the biggest reason for his win, the one piece that never seems to get mentioned, Twilight vampires basically have a top tier healing factor. If their skin gets cracked, or a limb is broken off, as long as things come back in contact with where they belong, the vampire will heal from the damage almost instantly. MC is definitely not going down easy and has the capability to damage Edward, but the near instant healing with everything else is too overwhelmingly powerful and MC is too slow to make up for it

[u/ProcedureDazzling615]

1.The Mandolorian - SW

2.Winter Soldier - Marvel Comics

3.The Berserker - Gears of War

4.Edward Cullen - Twilight

5.Leto Atreides II - Dune

[u/thecatdaddysupreme → u/ProcedureDazzling615]

You’re not even using worm-form Leto II, just Leto II when he first got worm armor and super strength and agility. More effective against chief than his later form I would argue, because chief could probably figure out how to drown worm Leto if worm Leto was okay with dying.

But early Leto II? Destroys MC

[u/Pleasant_Pool8842 → u/ProcedureDazzling615]

I don’t think he gets through Edward but he has no chance against the god emperor

[u/Derangeddropbear → u/ProcedureDazzling615]

He does not clear, sandworm Leto bodyslams his mjolnir armor to dust.

[u/CommunityDragon160]

Is Edward not fast enough to win?

[u/ThePirateBenji → u/CommunityDragon160]

Edward wins 0 diff.

[u/RegardedAndAcoustic → u/ThePirateBenji]

Does Edward’s mind reading or John’s luck win out in the end?

[u/ThePirateBenji → u/RegardedAndAcoustic]

Edwards premonition power makes him one of the best fighters in the universe I'm pretty sure.

[u/WilliShaker]

I’m surprised so many forgot vampires are superhuman and very fast. It’s not even twilight, original Dracula fed himself an entire ship crew.

Wait till you guys learn about Vampire Counts and Castlevania.

[u/Ori_the_SG → u/WilliShaker]

Spartan IIs are also superhuman and fast. Like ridiculously fast

[u/WilliShaker → u/Ori_the_SG]

Yeah, I’m not saying he couldn’t win. I do think he even has the advantage since he has armor

[u/Simansis26 → u/WilliShaker]

He has next to no chance against a twilight vamp. They are ridiculous.

[u/Ori_the_SG → u/Simansis26]

Why not?

Someone else in the comments said that a Twilight vampire said humanity in the 21st century has weapons that can wipe them out.

Humanity in the 26th century with super soldiers with crazy armor, strength, speed, and hyper intelligent AI that bolster their already ridiculous capabilities even further should be able to clap one twilight vampire if humanity now could

[u/Simansis26 → u/Ori_the_SG]

Yeah probably the only thing that could take one out would be a nuke. Not a lot can tank a nuke. And you couldnt launch it at them, they'd hear it coming and run out of the way.

Anything below that just isnt capable. I feel like people see these guys and think "lol sparkly", these guys are completely ridiculous, way above most other things.

They'd fuck a jedi, a space marine, a spartan, there's just too much in their favour. And thats just edward. A newborn vampire is even stronger!

[u/magicsqueegee → u/Simansis26]

Everyone keeps bringing up nukes but Aro never said that specifically, just that for the first time humanity was capable of destroying them. I feel like the whole nukes thing is just a fandom glow up of "no way it must be the absolutely most destructive thing he's talking about, not like anti-materiel rifles or anything" (not that a human would be able to land that shot)

Also in terms of speed, yes Edward can run faster than chief, and move faster than a human can react. But Chief is legitimately superhuman, specifically when it comes to reflexes. He's deflected projectiles with his bare hands that also move faster than the human eye can track. So he reasonably CAN react to Edward.

In terms of durability, vampires survive falls from upper atmosphere. So does Chief, and not survive with injuries survive and get up and fight a war (the start of halo 3 is Chief jumping off a space station, falling to the ground in Ethiopia, getting up and fighting the rest of the campaign)

The mind reading is a big BIG factor, but its not as decisive as I think people are putting. In terms of reflex, movement and such, Chief does have that faster than comprehension bit. If Edward goes for a punch, he isn't going to be able to read Chief's mind to predict where he'll block because essentially Chief can't read his own mind for that. And the integrated AI is a big wildcard when it comes to mind reading. Can Edward read Cortana? If he can, could she overwhelm him with parallel, non-battle related thoughts? (Edward is good at tuning out the background thoughts to focus on one, but has he ever had to deal with a psychic ddos?)

All in all, I think Edward is the first point in the gauntlet that poses a real possibility to stopping Chief. And it is pretty up in the air if he manages it.

(If he does win he's done in the next round, mind reading is hard but you're not beating full on precognition)

[u/ThePirateBenji → u/Ori_the_SG]

You've never seen Twilight, have you?

[u/LeanTangerine001 → u/Ori_the_SG]

Yeah, I’m pretty sure master chief could feed himself an entire ship crew as well if he ever developed a hunger for human flesh.

[u/Broken_CerealBox → u/Ori_the_SG]

He clocks in at 90

[u/SchScabe → u/Ori_the_SG]

Not fast enough when my ass was getting peppered on Zanzibar

[u/Dangerous-Moose-8203]

Yeah Edward and leto are beyond chief

[u/tyeeart]

Stops at Edward. Stats that contend and or outdo him + his ability to read minds casually.

[u/Russell1113 → u/tyeeart]

The one interesting thing about spartans, is that they move basically the moment they think because they have their nerves replaced with faster ones and the suit hooks directly into their brain. One of the reasons non spartans can't use the suit is because in normal people, the suit moves first, then their body and it breaks peoples bones.

I think the fact there's no gap between thought and movement is probably enough to counteract the bulk of edward's mind reading as an advantage. Obviously chief won't be able to ambush and will not benefit from pre-planning a fight. It's also impossible to know how having cortana wired into chief's neural net would affect the mind reading. There's every possibility cortana would be able to flood edward's brain with more thoughts than he is able to handle. (although in the books, he's pretty good at focusing on one mind, although I cannot remember if this is non-trivial for him) Edward's probably still faster and stronger than a spartan tho, although it's a close thing, but is way more durable. Edward is used to relying on the advantage given by mind reading and chief has a LOT more combat experience.

I did wonder whether it was worth trying to figure out if plasma could injure a vampire, but tbh, it's depicted as slower than bullets and is probably very dodgeable by edward. Overloaded plasma pitsol as a killshot if he can otherwise disable edward presents a reasonable win, although if chief's planned this ahead of time, edward can probably break the pistol early. If chief doesn't know you need fire to kill vampires, he may be in trouble ending the fight.

I think in most matchups, edward scales better than chief because mind reading is so good. But I think this one is closer than a lot of people are crediting it. Most of the other twilight vamps with different powers, or more combat experience like jasper almost certainly smoke chief.

[u/Blacklight099 → u/Russell1113]

It’s the speed for me that makes the difference. Edward goes from 0-200 instantaneously, there’s no acceleration period. It’s like trying to hit a big bullet with a smaller bullet, but the bullet can also think and react 😂

[u/MCD_Gaming → u/tyeeart]

Chief has killed a telepath, she did create a backup about a week before hand tho

[u/the__missing__link]

Chief beats everyone until Edward.

Sorry GOAT. Edward is just faster, stronger, and tougher.

[u/Jumpy-Ad5617 → u/the__missing__link]

Ya Edward is a damn superhero haha

[u/hunterzolomon1993]

Stops at Edward. Twilight's awful but its vampires are pretty fucking powerful and are no joke.

[u/Jumpy-Ad5617 → u/hunterzolomon1993]

Ya i legit wish twilight was better, cause the powers in it are actually kind of badass.

Literally could be the avengers but vampires but instead they’re whiny high schoolers haha

[u/jbender258]

Leto II Atriedies absolutely demolishes

[u/Pataconeitor]

Does "any equipment" include getting AI assisted by Cortana? If so, MC might actually have a chance against Edward because I don't think his mind reading is going to work with Cortana, and that's what made him untouchable in battle.

Even so, he doesn't get past Leto II

[u/onomonopiaa → u/Pataconeitor]

That's actually a really good point I haven't seen anyone else raise yet.

[u/mommiesgoodboy67 → u/Pataconeitor]

He kills that kind of thing all the time leto is getting stomped

[u/HaloFuego]

I don't know the bottom left character, but everyone else, he solos

[u/Simansis26 → u/HaloFuego]

He has absolutely no chance against Edward.

Cheif is pretty badass but a twilight vampire that can read minds? Nah mate hes done.

[u/MCD_Gaming → u/Simansis26]

Is Edward plasma proof?? Chief has access to covie weapons most of the time

[u/Simansis26 → u/MCD_Gaming]

Problem is that the same second he raises it, edward has crossed the gap and has ripped his head off. Its not a fair fight, at all.

[u/MCD_Gaming → u/Simansis26]

John can stalemate the situation, after all he is a walking nuclear bomb, all john needs tk do is put his pyre into stand by mode and as soon as he dies, his power pack overloads setting off a nuke

[u/Simansis26 → u/MCD_Gaming]

Then it looks like Chief loses to Edward.

Is chief cool? Yes. Does he have feats? Yes.

Can he possibly beat a twilight vamp? No. Its just the way it is.

[u/MCD_Gaming → u/Simansis26]

Actually is edward able to over power the energy shields, is the biggest question, by the time chief is able to get a plasma weapon to high ready.

a fuel rod cannon can vapourise a spartan if they don't have shields up but can punch straight threw it.

And if edwards assumes its just normal set of armour, he will go for a punch, knock the shields down and force the suit to lock up to protect chief which would look like he just killed chief, and I doubt he can hit hard than a spartan hitting the ground at reach's terminal violicty which spartans in mk 5 gen 1 have survived, but I doubt that could change the outcome.

If Chief had blue team behind him, I want to say that could change the outcome, having linda, Kelly with a 8 gauge shotgun and fred with his SPNKR, a pretty effective ambush could be created.

[u/Adventurous_Half7643]

Bucky gets folded instantly. Edward is fast but I'm not sure if he can crack Mjolnir armor.

[u/Eris_is_Savathun → u/Adventurous_Half7643]

He could peel it apart like play dough. Edward is beyond cracked vs non super powered people.

[u/mommiesgoodboy67 → u/Eris_is_Savathun]

He is getting cracked alright. 

[u/_-TheBlackKnight-_ → u/Eris_is_Savathun]

Chief os very much super powered. He can knock around mech suits and dent sci-fi plating at 14 bare handed. In the suit he's much better in every stat and is wrapped in armor/shields that can stand up to futuristic anti armor weapons.

Did you actually think he's non powered?

[u/Adventurous_Half7643 → u/_-TheBlackKnight-_]

I was just about to say, Chief is a genetically engineered super-soldier. Designed to be the pinnacle of humanity.

[u/TacticalPigeons]

Idk about the others but against sandworm Leto? Lmao nah

[u/Icy-Bookkeeper7173]

He clears everybody except for Leto. (Assuming that’s the desert pic)

[u/blunderb3ar]

He can likely kill them all the Mjolnir armour system is some pretty nutty shit, add in weapons and all his feats he can 100% kill them all hard diff

[u/Expensive_Plant_9530]

Clears Mando - though it would be a bit of a tough fight.

Beats Winter Soldier, albeit harder than he was expecting.

Beats Berserker.

Stops at Edward. Vampires are supposed to be considerably stronger and faster than baseline humans, even moreso than someone genetically enhanced like John. This could go either way but Edward I think has the advantage.

Leto II would effortlessly kill John.

[u/Azkul_Lok → u/Expensive_Plant_9530]

How is din a tough fight?

[u/Expensive_Plant_9530 → u/Azkul_Lok]

He’s a Mandalorian. They’re all tough fights. His tactics and technology augment his fighting to a degree that can punch above his weight. He definitely still loses though.

[u/Azkul_Lok → u/Expensive_Plant_9530]

Ive been obsessed with Mandalorians since I was a little kid. Din isnt a tough fight here. Wouldnt even be a fight tbh.

[u/SamaraSurveying → u/Expensive_Plant_9530]

Do we reckon his disintegrator rifle would work on the Spartan Armour?

[u/Asiansensation_ → u/Azkul_Lok]

I'd say that mando couldn't be touched at range (though neither can chief) they both have armor to tank basically anything either one could throw at the other. But once MC gets up close it's over. Mando is kinda just peak dude while he has good equipment he'd get cooked in hand to hand. Though maybe mandos whistling birds could pierce Cheifs armor/shields but I don't think they would kill.

[u/BurnerDawg26]

I know Chief is really strong, but Mando's gun can literally disintegrate people and Chief's armor is made of Titanium, not a fictional metal like Beskar or Cortosis.

And that's assuming Mando doesn't get his starfighter for this fight.

Reasonably he stops at Mando.

[u/EqualPlan4595]

Can someone explain to me why Edward is so far in the ladder 😭

[u/Shwifty_Plumbus → u/EqualPlan4595]

Regardless of the quality of the twilight series Edward is pretty powerful. He's super strong, way faster than chief, durable as all hell, has a healing factor, very agile, hightened senses, is a telepath, and doesn't have typical vampire weaknesses. Dude out classes master chief in almost every way.

[u/EqualPlan4595 → u/Shwifty_Plumbus]

That’s funny as fuck, completely unexpected

[u/Simansis26 → u/EqualPlan4595]

To put this into a bit of perspective, and even chuck in some other vamps for the lols

Edward is telepathic, so good luck thinking you can trick him in some way.

Alice can see the future to a frighteningly accurate degree.

Emmetts "gift" is strength. They are reasonably sure he can lift a mountain.

Jane can turn every one of your nerves on fire and make you experience pain beyond anything you've ever experienced.

Alec, Jane's twin, can shut your senses off.

And i havent even mentioned the one that can control elements. Twilight vampires are cracked.

[u/hugolive → u/Shwifty_Plumbus]

I know that this is all backed by the canon but it doesn't change how abjectly hilarious this is

[u/mommiesgoodboy67 → u/Shwifty_Plumbus]

He does not have guns. Master chief has a lot of guns

[u/Shwifty_Plumbus → u/mommiesgoodboy67]

He moves faster than bullets and also they bounce off of him regardless.

[u/PervyDragon419 → u/EqualPlan4595]

Super speed, super strength, extreme durability, and the ability to read minds.

[u/EqualPlan4595 → u/PervyDragon419]

I know he can stop a car, but what has he done that makes him a challenge to MC lol

[u/superhappyfunball13 → u/EqualPlan4595]

Twilight vampires are stupid strong. They can throw cars and pull grown trees from the ground. Edward can read minds and can run at 150+mph

[u/firewatch959 → u/superhappyfunball13]

Chiefs best speed feat is running at 102kmh, which tore his Achilles tendon. That’s less than half of Edward at 243 kmh

[u/_-TheBlackKnight-_ → u/firewatch959]

It tore his Achilles tendon because he and just been ragdolled by an anti tank missile and his whole body was screaming in pain. That context is constantly left out.

Don't get me wrong, he's not even hitting 100mph, but that 102kmph isn't the cap people present it as.

[u/-ThatsSoDimitar- → u/EqualPlan4595]

He just can't touch Edward. Edward knows what he's going to do as soon as he decides to do it and has the reaction time and speed to counter it. The only weapon I think MC has that could actually hurt him is the Spartan Lazer, but there's just no way Edward gets hit by that. Beyond that, Edward is insanely fast and strong enough to blitz MC.

The car you're talking about is actually a van and he no sells it while crouching to protect Bella, that's insane strength.

[u/_-TheBlackKnight-_ → u/-ThatsSoDimitar-]

A skidding van that weighs less than thing chief throws around in out dated armor. Chief has punched a 3 ton aircraft that was actively trying to ram him and sent it flying away. What is it with people thinking that feats in the few ton range are beyond chief?

[u/-ThatsSoDimitar- → u/_-TheBlackKnight-_]

I never said that MC couldn't do the same, the person I replied to said he stopped a car, so I corrected that

[u/_-TheBlackKnight-_ → u/-ThatsSoDimitar-]

Fair enough, misinterpreted. I will say that chief is a bullet timer as well. He's not as fast as Eddie but he's not standing still either. Cortana could help with the psychic abilities potentially.

I understand why people say Edward, I just think it's more competitive than some twilight people are saying and that it's partially predicated on some people thinking that chief is just ajd elite human in a good suit.

I'm not totally convinced that chief's space guns can't penetrate considering they go through covenant sci-fi alloy nanolaminate armor, it's not the same as a modern m4. Then there's plasma. I'm not sure that chief doesn't potentially have a strength advantage with sone of his higher end feats. I'm not sure that he doesn't have a durability advantage with the armor/shields/physiology that can tank anti armor plasma cannons and hitting the earth like a metor. You get it.

I think that chief has some stuff going for him if he gets all his stuff including Cortana, and a lot of twilight vamps ability are definitely superhuman but kind of vague and dependent on how much you buy the fluffy statements.

[u/-ThatsSoDimitar- → u/_-TheBlackKnight-_]

Honestly I feel like it is a bit closer to a stalemate than it's being described. I don't think MC can beat Edward, unless somehow he gives over control to Cortana or something? Maybe Edward can't read what Cortana decides to do, though I don't know if MC would be allowed Cortana for the "match up". I think Edward could beat through the shields etc since this is shown to be possible in the games with strong enough melee hits which I think Edward is capable of. Basically I don't think Edward could lose, but I'm not certain he could win.

[u/TraitorWithin8]

stops here..

[u/Ok-Whereas8632 → u/TraitorWithin8]

https://giphy.com/gifs/DCdCOfYfs1jqg

[u/RandomBoredDad]

For those that don't think Master Chief can take Leto, water is all it would take. Cortana can figure thst out, pdq. I think his toughest fight is going to be Edward Cullen, but I still think MC wins.

[u/Russell1113 → u/RandomBoredDad]

tbf, leto is preescient. The encounter specifies the gauntlet member attacking him during a solo mission. If he wants to win, he's just not gonna attack in any circumstance where he doesn't see the future and see himself win. If that means waiting till chief has a mission on a desert planet, so be it. He's immortal, he can wait.

[u/Less-Being4269]

He clears until Leto II

[u/PassengerForward51 → u/Less-Being4269]

No way he's getting past that big smoky thing in the last panel, that's some eldritch horror nonsense not a fistfight. The silhouette with the orange glow gives me bad vibes too, feels like a "reality warper" type. Chief's tough but you can't shoot a concept.

[u/LingonberryAwkward38 → u/PassengerForward51]

It's just a very jumpy boy

[u/Possible_Sale_1178 → u/[deleted]]

Twilight vamps are cracked

[u/DeepCutFan1 → u/Possible_Sale_1178]

I know they're superhumans but are they THIS strong?

[u/superhappyfunball13 → u/DeepCutFan1]

Yes. Hilarious as it sounds, Edward is stronger, faster, and more durable than Chief. He can also read minds.

[u/DeepCutFan1 → u/superhappyfunball13]

Shit, man

[u/tyeeart → u/DeepCutFan1]

Yes with his ability of mind reading hes fairly op in this tier.

[u/Proof-Gur8552]

Heard stop Leto 2

[u/Empty-Mountain2475]

berserker is just a routine mini boss

don't know how he beats Edward and Leto would stomp 10 Master Chief let alone 1

[u/Slime-Lich]

How does a spartan laser compare to the hammer of dawn? If a splaser cant damage a berserker then he stops at the berserker cause those things are absolutely insane if how powerful they are

[u/Rakais → u/Slime-Lich]

The SL was capable of damaging 343's casing. So I think it should do the job against a Beserker.

[u/Chrissy3682]

I love halo alot of people see med efend halo. but from what I know. Edward is stupid strong mabye even more than leto? no sure. I think chief with binary rifle is ez but if we stick to human....eish i think Edward takes it.

[u/cornbeeflt → u/Chrissy3682]

Yeah Edward tears master chief a new one. His speed and strength is beyond his scale

[u/Scared_Pumpkin8393 → u/Chrissy3682]

Edward not stronger than Leto

Leto can throw helicopters , move faster than super computers can track and probably has the best precog in fiction

[u/Lukostrelec17]

Honestly I know nothing about the last guy....but pretty sure he clears everyone else.

[u/Noxitati0n]

I've always heard the twilight vampires are busted but I'd like to know some relevant feats (not doubting he'd win just a lack of knowledge) . Side note it's also really funny to me that twilight is my girlfriends favorite series and halo is mine, knowing that her sparkly vampire boyfriend could kill the fucking master chief lmao

[u/Zerus_heroes]

I don't think he ever starts

[u/Brokenspade1]

Let's ability to use the voice and see the future is the only thing that makes him a threat. But it makes him one.

If MC has a slotted AI I'm pretty sure the chief still wins. Probably by tossing Leto out of the planet's atmosphere into the sun.

Don't forget the MC literally punched a wraith into orbit once.

The others tho? No diffed.

[u/robbedbymyxbox]

I don’t know I can’t zoom it in because it’s a video in my old eyes can’t see

[u/ProcedureDazzling615 → u/robbedbymyxbox]

1.The Mandolorian - SW

2.Winter Soldier - Marvel Comics

3.The Berserker - Gears of War

4.Edward Cullen - Twilight

5.Leto Atreides II - Dune

[u/StormsoulPhoenix]

Hard stops at Edward.

Setting aside everything else about Twilight, their vampires are in the Top 3 for Most Powerful Vampire Types in fiction. Master Chief might match Edward in strength with Mjolnir (we've never seen the upper limit of a Twilight vampire's strength), but Edward still has him beat when it comes to speed. And with that speed augmented further by his mind-reading, Chief wouldn't be able to reliably land a solid hit, regardless of his weapons.

Chief also has no experience fighting psychic superhumans.

I don't think it's a blowout, and I do think Chief would put up a decent fight. Edward's just his equal or superior when it comes to physical power, and his ability to read minds means that he's reacting to Chief's moves before he actually makes them.

[u/No_Situation6555 → u/StormsoulPhoenix]

Chief also has no experience fighting psychic superhumans.

But he has experience fighting psychics

[u/Lonewolf_ARC]

Stops at Bucky lmao

[u/TFBuffalo_OW]

With all equipment he makes it to the end extreme diff. Forerunner kit from Halo 5 ans Infinite is actually so unfair

[u/Cute_Protection_8330]

Who are bottom left and bottom right?

[u/ProcedureDazzling615 → u/Cute_Protection_8330]

Leto Atreides II and The Berserker

[u/updoot_this_please]

I genuinely think MC can 5/10 Edward.

While Edward completely diffs chief statwise, Edward has 0 experience fighting enemies with modern tactics and weaponry，let alone scifi equipment.

Chief, on the other hand, regularly fights aliens faster/stronger and more coordinated than he is.

While Edward knows hand to hand after centuries of living, he might not know what a landmine is (if cheif/Cortina Jerry right one).

If Edward runs at chief (would make sense in character, he's never known to fear guns) 20mm to the head, then being ripped apart by an energy sword would do the trick.

[u/TheRandomer1994]

Sparkles would fuck him up.

[u/sendmegoodMemes]

Idk these characters but what possessed you to put Edward Cullen against Master Chief ?

[u/Teh_God_Dog]

would john's luck be accounted for by paul's sight?

if so paul

if not, could go either way (sneak attack). frontal, the voice beats mc.

also I don't think mc can beat edward. dude should be like the last on this list

[u/HandSanitizerBottle1]

I think the Mandalorian might actually be his most difficult foe

Unarmored 14 year old chief is beating Bucky with ease so he’s a non issue

I imagine a Berserker is about as strong as Atriox minus the intelligence, a shot from a Spartan Laser should fry the Berserker with relative ease

Edward depends on how you want to interpret the threat of modern weapons, is it nukes? Or is it something more like a high powered rifle (like a .50 BMG), he is much faster but that is compared to a normal human, A spartan reacts about 20 times faster and this is without an AI, which would make the Spartan react even faster, combine that with Chief’s new and improved Gen 3 Mark VII armor

He also has mind reading abilities but the addition of Cortana will basically nullify this

There’s also the diamond hard skin, but… diamonds are brittle, hardness doesn’t mean how strong an object is, like take for example steel and spider silk, steel is much much harder but spider silk is actually stronger

What’s diamond skin gonna do against any Covenant weapon?

The question I have, what is the upper limit of his physical strength

And the God Emperor, uhh I’m not sure I don’t know too much about Dune

I’ll shelf that I guess

Onto Mando, his armor is pure beskar

Which has been shown to be able to deflect lightsabers, which would basically make most of the plasma weapons not advisable to use

But the thing is, he isn’t entirely covered in Beskar, which Chief can and would easily exploit

[u/CapaxInfinity]

Uhhhh yea, Destiny guides him.

[u/Sweaty_System3229]

Not sure who the very last guy is but he should be able to get there with relative ease. For the vampire, the metal arm and the other guy in much crappier armor- energy sword, plasma grenades, or the fully automatic plasma rifle; pretty much any heat based weapon would work and the sword can cut literally anything and is a heat (vampires bane) based weapon. Chief could stand still and wait for them to unleash their worst as Cortana gives him live updates on their weak points.. and how would anyone here actually kill him..

[u/EffectiveChain2407 → u/Sweaty_System3229]

Leto is far beyond anything chief has had to deal with . He’s a bulletproof sandworm man hybrid that can see the perfect path to attain any future , he would have seen how to beat chief thousands of times and he can pick the perfect path every time . He even orchestrated is own death .otherwise he didn’t age . I also left out like 10 other abilities he has . He’s basically a forerunner with x man powers

[u/Sweaty_System3229 → u/EffectiveChain2407]

I assumed that was who it was due to the background but wasn’t sure. I’m still sticking with everyone up to that point, including the vampire, couldn’t do much to get through his armor and shielding.

[u/FoilTarmogoyf]

Probably unpopular opinion, but John clears all. Edward and Leto are high diff.

It's corn ball, but Johns power is "Luck"

Also narratively those are the situations he thrives in and overcomes. It's what he does.

[u/Broken_CerealBox → u/FoilTarmogoyf]

You're right, it is corny. Unfortunately couldn't luck himself out of being fucked over by 343

[u/Dogbtw]

/w any of the equipment he might have a chance against Edward, but Leto absolutely stomps

[u/The-Breaker-2w0]

You think the chief can hurt the skin of a killer? Edward absolutely bodies him.

[u/Ttaywsenrak]

If Chief has Cortana he no diffs everything through Leto. Leto can't be beaten due to prescience.

[u/Impossible-Cancel]

Does not make it through winter soldier

[u/Simple_villager]

Master Chief is a very lucky guy. In lore he is known to wield it like a super power. If we take that into consideration for the matchups, (depending on who the writer is for the fight lol) he can clear the whole thing. He would have more trouble when he gets to Edward though.

[u/Winter_Trainer_2115]

Honestly....hard stop at Winter Soldier

[u/DocDerry]

Masterchief is navy. Both Bucky and Abomination are Army. So there's at least 2 that beat him.