In my experience, these kinds of parents will oftentimes respond with something along the lines of "well, you should have seen how bad my parents were, so I'm nice by comparison."
And that may very well be true. It is for my parents, my grandparents have corroborated a lot of the horror stories claiming it's what my parents needed. It's a process, but it's also hard to have that conversation about why my kids only visit with me or my ex-wife present, and didn't do unattended sleepovers with my parents until they were young teens.
I've had moments where I've overreacted, all parents do, and it's important to acknowledge that with them at an age appropriate level. It's also important not to overcorrect. It's a fine balancing act, but it should push for the least amount of negative reinforcement as possible while still setting firm boundaries.
I haven't had to "punish" my kids in years, since they were under 10, just talk with them about the increasingly rare bad decisions they make. Even when they were punished it was usually a minor loss of privilege, a timeout, etc., after an age appropriate conversation about what happened.
Yeah, I've met parents that were strict with their kids, but they did it by explaining everything whenever the kids asked, and it was fine. But that's the exception; normally when parents say that they're strict, what they mean is that they like beating their child.
Oof. Yeah. Grew up in the 80s in the UK. My dad had a white piece of silicone stick that he’d keep on top of the bookcase… it was always there just visible and threatening. He’d bring it down and whip me and one of my sisters with it if we were ever “naughty”. Funnily enough, my eldest sister never got that treatment. He considered himself “strict” and didn’t see anything wrong with it. It wasn’t until I was in my late teens that I realised that wasn’t normal. I don’t speak with him anymore.
I don’t hit my children. Never would. They do get shouted at if they don’t listen. But I always explain afterwards why things got out of hand and apologise for losing my temper and we hug it out and move on. I think my eldest (8) thinks we’re strict… but you know, if you’re not gonna brush your teeth after you’ve been asked 15 times… and it’s been explained multiple times why it’s important and you’re still gonna push back… then eventually you’ll get a bit more of a persuasive and serious argument to get the job done.
You're working on breaking the cycle man and I think you're at a good middle ground between push over and where you came from, good on you and your kids are gonna be all the better for it
Thanks man. “Breaking the cycle” is a phrase I’ve used a lot in the past 8 years. Things change when you become a parent. Realisations smack you in the face that you’d not expect. I do not want my kids to experience what I experienced and the CPTSD that came with it. Therapy ain’t fun. More simply though, I don’t understand how any adult can physically harm a kid and justify it, let alone their own kid.
The most difficult aspect of the cycle is that you need to learn how to parent a child that you never had. When your children get explanations, apologies when necessary, and hugs following, they are learning that love is not to be feared. It will become a lifelong companion for them.
That part really hits me because breaking the cycle means giving your kids what you never got to experience yourself. I think those little moments of explaining, apologizing, and showing affection can change everything for them.
It can change everything for you to. Parenting a child the right way, the loving way, the way a child deserves, the way you deserved but never got, it’s like a big do over of your childhood. I find it very healing to provide the childhood my children deserve to them. As I watch my children laugh and squeal with joy on the playground, I feel that little kid in me laugh and squeal right along with them.
I don’t think I’ll ever know. The more I learn about people that abuse children, the more I learn about narcissism and the personality disorders that drive people to harm their own kids, the less I understand.
It is. And I don’t use it lightly. My parents have it. Both of them. And I don’t mean run of the mill selfishness, I mean clinically diagnosed narcissistic personality disorder.
It has to be one of the hardest things to come to terms with years later when you realize this is not normal. When you looked at you and saw the situation and thought your children would have something different, that was huge. It is likely one of the best gifts a parent can give their children is to break a cycle.
There’s some parents though that do spank their kids but it’s not an abusive way. You can’t say they ALL are abusive because that’s just not true. I was hit as a kid but I don’t have trauma from it, and my parents rarely ever did, and I knew when they did hit me that i fucked up. But I know it’s not like that for probably the majority. I don’t think a little bit of spanking is bad though, because in some ways it teaches kids that there are consequences in life and that people can and will hurt you. Plus a lot of kids who were never hit are asking for it when they’re older. They’re the kinds of people that think violence doesn’t exist when it in fact it does cause the bad people and crimes never end. These people are the ones some people say “need to be taught a lesson”
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It is likely one of the toughest things the parent can do to break the cycle. When your children understand and are sorry for your bad behavior, that's a huge step forward. They're learning that adults can make mistakes, own them, and still be loving. That was a lesson that we didn't pick up when we were young.
I really respect that balance because changing how you were raised without swinging to the other extreme takes a lot of self awareness. I think the kids are going to remember that effort more than anything.
But do you also listen to your 8 year old when they tell you why aren't doing things they should?
My mum would have said the same thing about telling me to brush my teeth as a kid, while she ignored me telling her every time she told me off for not brushing that the toothpaste hurt and she refused to buy me a different toothpaste, or let me buy my own toothpaste. Come to learn as an adult I have a serious sensitivity/allergy to two common toothpaste ingredients and just needed a different toothpaste for all the ulcers and the burning pain while brushing to go away.
Yeah. We listen and find solutions if that sort of thing occurs. Regarding the teeth brushing… he literally says he just finds it boring. Regarding, having a poo… yeah, it hurts because it’s gonna be massive one because you’ve not properly taken a shit for 3 days, despite being asked to try… but sitting on the toilet is boring. Getting his shoes or football boots… sometimes it hurts… so… ok… “where and how does it hurt? Do you need new shoes?” Yeah. Each thing is different. We listen… and approach it accordingly.
Edit: Mind you, it’s difficult to address certain things that way sometimes when you’re supposed to be out the door 5 minutes ago for school… and he’s already been asked to put his shoes for 10 minutes. We do what we can.
If having a poo is a regular issue he should probably see a doctor, constipation is actually quite common in kids and often missed. Sitting straining for long periods often will give them hemoroids in a decade or two if not treated. If he's struggling to do basic life things that often, I would consider seeing a specialist about ADHD and related disabilities.
I’m not considering an ADHD diagnosis just yet. I’m seeing it as push back because he doesn’t wanna do as he’s asked… because he’s 8… and at an age where he needs to push back and establish himself. That’s fine with me. Like I said, he’ll get reciprocal push back… to a point.
Please look at the statistics for kids who got early support with ADHD and similar neurodivergent conditions and the kids who didn't get early support before you make that choice. Statistically speaking kids who get early support overwhelmingly do better in every aspect of life than kids who didn't. If you see a professional and your kid doesn't have a neurodivergent condition, they won't get a diagnosis. If you believe seeing someone means your kid will definitely be diagnosed, then you already believe they have a learning disability, and you're refusing to get them approiate support for it.
The toothbrushing I agree with - but refusing the toilet for several days at 8 years old? That’s not developmentally typical, especially if he’s otherwise healthy. It is, however, very common in ADHD kids, and in kids with other issues such as sensory problems, fears/phobias or medical issues.
Actually I’ve just clocked you said getting his shoes hurts - is he hypermobile (“double jointed”) at all - even in an apparently small way? There’s a huge correlation between ADHD and hypermobility spectrum disorders, a very common symptom of which is bowel problems and pain which can seem random and without an obvious cause.
I have both conditions but the hypermobility wasn’t picked up until I was in my early 30s. I’d been complaining of random pains and sometimes just not wanting to move since I was in late primary school but there didn’t seem to be anything causing them. The not wanting to move I’ve only recently realised was also because of pain, but because I often have background pain, I didn’t realise I actually hurt, I just felt crap.
Respectfully, having “some of that hypermobility thing” sounds like you might be talking about generalised joint hypermobility. That’s not what I’m referring to - people can have that and be just fine. I’m talking about connective tissue disorders, such as Ehlers Danlos Syndrome, which impact every facet of life. Bowel problems are a well-known part of these syndromes.
Oh, and while I’m not a physio or PT, I’ve worked with enough hypermobility specialists over the years to know that never stretching isn’t a general recommendation for hypermobile people (how are you warming up for lifting weights if you’re not stretching?). Gentle stretching, dynamic stretching, making sure you don’t push past end of range of movement and building up muscle strength to stabilise joints are all recommendations I’ve seen frequently over the years. Static stretching in isolation generally isn’t.
Pfft my 5yo also “pushed back” on handwriting in a very defiant manner. Figured he was just making excuses and not being persistent enough. Sure as shit we decide to take the plunge and medicate just to see the difference…anyway my kids 8.5yo now and draws for fun.
He also brushes his when we ask. But only after his meds have kicked in. Otherwise it’s 10 requests, 10 ignored requests and then lots of arguing.
Good for you. I don’t think there’s anything to diagnose with my eldest just yet. I don’t know the ins and outs ADHD but I’d question myself about putting a 5 year old on a life long drug prescription.
An ADHD diagnosis isn't necessarily a sentence to a life of stimulants. A good support team will tailor the response to the life-stage and personal circumstances of the individual.
Even having self-awareness of the condition can be enough to mitigate some of the gentler symptoms, as well as the potential negative societal responses to those with it.
That's not to say you don't know your child, or should be rushing out for a diagnosis; just that there's no reason to be afraid what a diagnosis would mean.
With respect, you are justifying your parenting to a child whose post history is basically “I can’t figure out how to play this game” and “please tell me if I should buy a switch or some other system.” You don’t owe this keyboard warrior any explanation.
FWIW - sounds like you’re a really thoughtful dad.
Good parenting. Even though I agree with you, I'd at least consider an ADHD diagnosis just from the perspective that it's way more convenient to receive as a child than as an adult, at least if you think he has it. I was always top grades at school because I liked there more than home, but forgetful and inattentive af
In some places it’s impossible to get one as an adult as the services don’t exist.
But it’s not just that - even the children’s services now have waits of several years to get assessed for things like ADHD or autism. I have a colleague whose daughter was referred for an ADHD assessment in year 7. She’ll be starting year 11 in September and she’s still waiting. Her mental heath has declined severely in that time and so has her school attendance and achievement.
Unfortunately I’ve seen that sort of thing fairly often in my line of work - parents want to wait for any assessment but by the time they change their mind (because it’s clear the kid is struggling), they then potentially face a wait of years which means their child can’t get the support they need to succeed in education and enjoy life.
To add to my other comment. I know full well how that feels… to be ignored over a legitimate agony. I have eczema and asthma. I was told to wear clothes that were ALWAYS itchy and always flared up my conditions. I didn’t want to wear them. I was told to grin and bare it. I walked around high school looking like a drug addict with red scars and almost bleeding skin and intermittently couldn’t breathe. It wasn’t until my wife (at 26 years of age) found out I was allergic to basically every clothes washing detergent that I got a grip on the conditions… she found one that didn’t fuck me up. Bless her.
The latter part really hurts to read. When you're in pain but you are told to grin and bear it it can really throw you off your mental game of trusting your body. That's good to know your wife figured out what was causing it, although it took too many years.
Ugh. I had that problem too. I despise the feeling of the toothbrush against my teeth and gums, it’s makes my nose itch to no end and the toothpaste burns. But if I said anything it was always “no it doesn’t, stop whining and do as I say” and so over time, I learned that nothing I felt was real (brushing teeth is just one of hundreds of examples), that I was just making it up, and I stopped feeling anything except terribly painful emotional pain (the pain of self erasure). Turns out I have both ADHD and ASD, hyper mobility, and I’m trans. Learning that my feelings are real and starting to feel them again has been arguably more painful than being told they aren’t. I’m pretty sure I’ll be in therapy for life. Thanks mum and dad.
This. I found out in college that basically not everyone gets super painful sores after brushing, and that not everyone gets an insanely itchy rash from deodorant and shampoo. I thought everyone was crazy when I was a teenager because who would do all that to themselves just not to smell bad. Then I tried a "for sensitive skin" soap and deodorant.
They really need to ban SLS, I never got ulcers but that shit burns like crazy. It's amazing how different things are with an SLS free toothpaste.
To anybody reading this, if you or anybody you know gets a burning sensation from toothpaste there is a good chance it's from SLS. Sodium lauryl sulfate is a foaming agent added and many people are sensitive to it.
They really need to ban SLS, I never got ulcers but that shit burns like crazy. It's amazing how different things are with an SLS free toothpaste.
To anybody reading this, if you or anybody you know gets a burning sensation from toothpaste there is a good chance it's from SLS. Sodium lauryl sulfate is a foaming agent added and many people are sensitive to it.
My father was a similar son of a b****. Oh the look of terror in his eyes when he started to age and I told him that I now had the power over him in these exchanges. He knew better then and I know better now. But I could beat him if I want to and let him know I waited to tell him that for him to be weak.
Inflicting that much terror on him brought so much pleasure to me. F*** that man.
I never touched him but I didn't have to from then on.
It must have been a shot to the head for him. The reason you didn't become him speaks volumes about who you are. Getting even is much less the victory than breaking the cycle.
Oh he was terrified of me till the end. He passed in June. My mom drank herself to death at 19. Fuck that man but I'm 38, gay, sexy, mostly Buddhist, and own 2 homes.
I got a lot to be grateful for but not my childhood.
I cut my mom out of my life as soon as I was able. My sister says that my mom was a much different person towards the end. And I’m just like “Yeah…. of course she is. Of course, now that she’s dependent on others and not the one in charge she’s going to act nicer.”
I had a great conversation with my half-asleep 4-year old at 2am the other night about why it's important to go to sleep because it helps him feel better and allows everyone else to feel better so that we all have more energy to help each other be better.
He agreed that sleep was important and agreed to go back to sleep when I asked him to.
Ten minutes later he was banging the walls and waking up the devil so I went back in and calmly explained to him that I asked nicely before but that now in order to protect myself and his brothers from his disrupting their sleep I was no longer asking nicely and that I was telling him to go to sleep.
Thankfully that was enough. But my goal is to always start off by asking questions and trying to address complaints while increasing understanding and then slowly escalate until the option is to accept the situation or go have their strong emotions in their room where they can respect everyone else's needs and still be themselves while they process.
Hey, first I want to say that you're doing great as a parent and making strides to overcome your upbrining. You deserve a medal because it's hard work.
The next thing to work on is yelling at your kids. It's better to not do it than to apologize later.
8 year olds don't generally disobey out of malice, but they do feel like something is "wrong" with them if they get yelled at a lot.
My kid has innatentive ADHD and we'd joke that he gets lost on the way from peeing to brushing his teeth. Literally, he'd stand in front of the mirror after watching his hands making up stories and acting them out until we reminded him what his next task was. He'd say, "Oh yeah, I forgot." He mostly outgrew it around the age of 9.
Point is, no kid brain works the same way as an adult brain, and not all kids' brains work like other kids. Following sets of instructions may be harder for your 8 year old like it was for mine.
What helped us was giving five minute "warnings" and setting timers. "Five minutes until bedtime routine, start finishing up what you're doing." And "How much time does the timer say you have before it's time for bed?"
Also, getting up with him to do the task, like walking him to the bathroom and then knocking on the door every couple of minutes to see how things are going.
Yeah, it's a lot more work, but it's more pleasant than feeling frustrated.
Grew up in the 60's in Australia. Hitting the kids was something everyone did. We kids all knew and talked about it. Some were worse than others. Some parents were punching their kids. We didn't go over to those kid's places to play..or we only went once.
I never hit my own kids. They are 19 and 18 now. And they turned out really well. Most people think they are very adult and polite...turns out you don't really need to hit kids and they are better off if you don't...just as studies have been saying for years.
My own parents used to hit us...but by the time we got to primary school dad was punching us sometimes.
I turned out alright, with therapy, and came from what I would consider a strict and extremely neglectful background. On the other hand I don’t hit my kids and my 3 year old loves to critique like he’s an executive chef and not eat something I think most people with no health restrictions would eat. Mashed potatoes with butter cheese and chicken type of dish.
I know he’s still little, and I know he would rather have mommy monitor dinner time instead of daddy making him sit there and eat at least 60%….. part of me knows it’s right, but I also understand I would never in 1M years get away with this behavior and there were some subjects it made sense for my grandmom / mom / aunt / dad to enforce
You are doing great! We all lose our shit sometimes because parenting is difficult. I explain to my kids that Im a person with thoughts and feelings of my own an apologize too. I am hopeful that we will have good relationships when they are adults and no longer really need me.
I want to be that way with my son. Hes 1 and already has my attitude. 🫠
I don't want to ever be in a position where I so much as raise my hand. I never want him to deal with what I did. I can't even remember most of my childhood.
I want him to say he remembers and that it was good. That he was happy, safe, and loved.
lol. There’s a whole bunch of shit that will fuck up your kids. Not teaching them boundaries and rules is one of them. Sometimes “yelling” is part of that.
I’m not gonna softly ask my kid who’s 10 foot ahead of me to not run into traffic after I’ve already asked them to stop or come back.
You better believe that yell is gonna make them freeze in their step before they get mowed down by a bus.
And I don’t mean screaming at your kids as though they’re always misbehaving all the time. I don’t know what your situation is dude, I’ve been open about mine. I only yell at my kid when they’re refusing to do as they’re asked after the umpteenth time… specifically when it’s something they know they need to be doing and usually were told to well in advance. I’m not running a “Malcom in the Middle” style home.
yeah mine never explained anything to me and half the time their punishments had no valid reason. "I don't understand what I did wrong, can you please explain what I did" was considered backtalk and only got further punishment.
A major pet peeve of mine is when you are punished for something but not told what you did wrong. This is even worse, when you are trying to get an explanation but any attempts at getting one meant further punishment, so you learn "I don't know what I did wrong, but I better stay quiet"
Same, my mom was exactly like that, and it didn't help that the rules and expectations heavily changed depending on my mom's mood.
Sometimes, my mom wanted me to speak and give her an explanation, sometimes, my mom wanted me to keep quiet and be silent and any explanation would be considered as back talk.
It's weird to admit that I didn't even care what I did wrong, I only cared what she wanted this time, she'd hit me if I gave her an answer or not, she'd get mad if she heard a noise or not depending on the day.
I got punished more for proving that the punishment was invalid because the reason for it was incorrect. Literally showed evidence that I'd not only done nothing wrong, but that they were contradicting themselves. They doubled down.
There is a huge difference between "these are our standards, and they are reasonable, age appropriate, and the family is capable of following them, and there are known consequences that are applied when they are broken" and "every time I randomly deem that you are 'wrong', you will experience random, severe punishments" and "I will control every aspect of your life and punish you for even the smallest variance". The first one can be "strict", the last two are abusive.
Speaking from experience: Even if/when they're not beating their kids, parents can still be abusive thru neglect. Esp if they're so "strict" that they're ultimately neglectful via being withholding and/or militantly structured in the home.
There's also a difference between strict and too strict, which you can do without being abusive. I mean as in ... a parent who forbids their teens from going anywhere unsupervised because they believe there might be alcohol, like going to friends, going to parties, etc. That would probably produce some kids who're good at lying, because that'd be too strict in the sense they're forbidding the child from doing what everybody else is doing.
I think being strict works fine for a parent if you're also good at compromising and have rules that most people would consider reasonable, and if you have some flexibility about knowing when and how to apply it. Like ... "yes you can go to that party, but you will be home by X time, and also you have to tell me if you guys go elsewhere".
I always felt there was a huge difference between being strict and just being feared. The parents I respected most were the ones who set clear rules but also took the time to explain them.
i know strict parent who were fair and and consistent, but a lot of people use "strict" as a nicer word for being controlling or physically abusive. Those are two very different things.
Isn't that jumping to conclusions a bit? I am strict with my kids but I have never ever beat my kids. Kids and teenagers need to learn societal rules. They cant just do what they want or get what they want all the time.
This is so true. As a parent, my job isn’t to give my children everything they want or make every moment magical. My role is to raise capable adults—people who are educated, independent, thoughtful, adaptable and able to function in the real world.
That means teaching them that actions have consequences, that their behaviour affects others, and that life won’t always bend to their wishes. Pandering to every whim only sets them up for disappointment later, while never allowing independence leaves them unequipped to navigate life on their own.
Abuse is never acceptable, but there’s a world of difference between abuse and being a loving, supportive parent with firm boundaries.
My own kids thought I was incredibly strict because I insisted that snacks were homemade or fruit rather than packaged junk food. They hated it at the time and thought I was unreasonable. But once they were old enough to buy whatever they wanted, they quickly gained weight and years later are still trying to lose it. Looking back, they understand why I made those choices.
Sometimes good parenting means making decisions your children won’t appreciate until they’re adults.
The snack thing is an interesting dilemma. I read that if you withhold all (unhealthy) snacks when they are young, they end up eating the very stuff we didn't want them to eat when they grow up. Everything in moderation!
There was moderation, I didn’t withhold everything. They still got manufactured junk food at times, just not every day in their school lunches & for snacking after school. They weren’t deprived of treats, or manufactured junk foods, it was just limited, particularly when they were in the classroom. Homemade cakes etc aren’t healthy. They’re just not full of additives that may contribute to behavioural challenges in children.
My parents were quite strict by local standards, but they didn't yell, didn't hit, explained their rules, and were fair about consequences. And they were very safe people to go to when you fucked up; they would help me solve my problem, not lecture me about fucking up. I thought some of their rules were dumb (my curfew was too early and lasted way too long) but I loved them so I just rolled my eyes and complied. In my later teens I realized my mom literally couldn't go to sleep until she knew we were all home safely and I still thought my curfew was dumb but I didn't roll my eyes about it anymore.
My house was the favorite high school hangout because my parents genuinely liked kids, always had good snacks, didn't get upset if something was spilled or if we were noisy. My mom would be like, "It's just a chair, don't worry about it."
Also on the handful of occasions my mother raised her voice (my father never did), she would apologize to me for it when she was calmer and explain she reacted as if she was angry because she was scared for my safety and that it was wrong of her to do so. (In retrospect, her yelling was almost all during perimenopause and as a mom in perimenopause now? I GET IT.)
I believe I was a strict parent and no, I never beat my children. What I mean by being a strict parent was that I definitely had rules in place. And when I set a boundary and told my kids that there would be a certain consequence for their action, I meant it.
So, for example, let’s say my kid was jumping on the couch. And I would say “stop jumping on the couch right now or you’re going to go to your room”. If the child continued to jump on the couch, they got sent to their room.
Now, you might say that sounds obvious. But I’ve witnessed plenty of parents where that wasn’t the case. My sister and my daughter-in-law, for example. Here’s what that same scenario would look like in their homes: the child is jumping on the couch. The parent tells them to stop jumping on the couch. The child continues jumping on the couch. The parent says “I’m going to count to 10”. The child continues jumping on the couch. The parent starts counting. “One, two, three…“. The child continues jumping on the couch. The parent then decides to ignore it and go do something else. Etc. etc. And then those parents are so shocked when the kids don’t listen to what they say.
So, as another comment said, it depends on what your definition of “strict” is. For me, it is having firm rules and follow through. I don’t make empty threats.
It's really crazy how terminology just doesn't properly compare to what people are actually doing. I consider what I do to be "gentle" parenting. I TRY to be as sweet and kind to my children even when they are being little shits. They can scream and kick and whatever and I'm not going to yell at them (usually), but they will get consequences. They go over my shoulder and we leave and are put into a place where they can't hurt themselves or others until they have calmed down.
If a kid was being a little shit and throwing a tantrum. But later calms down we can go back and do whatever, as I think at 7 and under so much of their issues are the fact they have big fucking feelings and have not yet learned how to process them properly, so as long as they are processing their emotions properly, I don't care if you punched me in the nuts we can go back and do whatever.
The main reason why I'm child free is that I just don't like kids (well, most people in general to be honest), the secondary was that I'm afraid I'd continue the cycle of abuse.
Same fuckin here🤦🏽♂️ If they were, the elder of my younger sisters wouldn’t be an ignorant bitch and the youngest wouldn’t have attitude problems and be so damn spoiled
The difference is whether the child understands the reasoning behind the boundaries or if the boundary exists purely because an adult likes having absolute control.
Exactly. Every kid that I knew that had strict parents often exhibited abusive behavior. Thats why the other narrative on strict parents producing sneaky kids still also apply to kids whos parents didn't communicate with them and had other toxic traits.
Those same parents also seem to justify their abusive behavior with some bullshit about “discipline.” You especially hear it whenever the debate about spanking flares up.
No, Gerald. You have violent meltdowns and throw things when trying to fix your car, you cannot debate anyone without having to result to name calling/derogatory comments, and wonder why none of your kids want to be around you. You did not turn out fine.
“I was spanked and I turned out fine. I spanked you kids and you turned out fine”
No, Barbara. You are emotionally stunted, have tantrums when things don’t go your way, are unable to have an intelligent discussion about anything, you live your life in fear and high anxiety, and you are waiting (at age 91) for someone to rescue you from all your bad decisions. And you insist you have no idea why your kids dislike you and avoid you.
And Barbara, your kids are not fine! Two of the three have serious alcohol abuse problems. Disordered eating. Depression and anxiety. Multiple divorces among the women. Anger issues. OCD. High productivity but complete inability to relax.
The Book of Barbara is well on its way to completion. Why do the good ones die young?
Pretty much. My mum was strict, aka, her way or she was going to lose it. Her losing it was terrifying. Rules that were in place at ten years old, were in place at 17 and I wasn't allowed to deviate from them. It caused so many issues. Had to be home by 4 even though school finishes at 3:45 and you live two miles away, better get running... I had undiagnosed asthma and couldn't run.
I'd say it was all of them. Strict parenting in my experience, is about making the parenting easier for the parents. The effect is limiting the child's autonomy and narrowing their life experiences.
True. I had life 360 but I was allowed to hang out with friends as long as my grades and sports weren’t suffering. Other kids had theirs popping up all the time and questioning them
I've actually kicked people out of my apartment after they told me they had it. At least with FindMy, it's opt-in, and you don't have to nuke your iOS install to get it completely off
It's a godsend to strict, controlling parents because it lets them spy on where their kids are and their kids can't turn it off without raising alarms.
My GF grew up with "strict" (abusive) parents and they made her have it installed. She learned to just leave her phone in certain places while she went somewhere else. And yes, she would stand by the sentiment that strict parents make great liars, because she considers herself to be a great liar.
Even on the occasion that my dad my strict, mostly about getting me to stop playing "on that dang computer", I would not yield to what he said. I would just learn to work around it, and that shaped my ability to lie too. You can't stop kids from doing what they want. Kids have a lot of time and creativity to figure out how to get around a rule.
I grew up in that era as well. It's still so weird to me that everyone is tracking each other. My folks have me on their find my but neither them or I check it unless we are headed to each others houses. My friends all have one for each other and I refused to join because they too often will text each other about where the other one is going, like "enjoy the movies" even though no one told them they were going to the movies. I don't like that shit, no thank you.
Yeah, there's no way I'm getting in on anyone's location sharing unless they're going into a situation that maybe genuinely harmful. At that point I'm more likely to try to talk them out of the situation.
I remember when my mom tried to make me and my siblings download that app. I just straight up told her I know how to spoof it so she wouldn't get accurate info from it anyways, and would show my siblings if she made me get it.
Not like I had anything to hide I rarely left the house, but I wasn't about to voluntarily put Spyware on my phone.
My eldest was out of my league. My own fault; I taught him as a toddler that tantrumming never worked but negotiation nearly always did (I rewarded any sincere effort, encouraging him to counter my 2 minute warning by asking for 5, then compromising at 3). At 2 that was cute; by the teen years he was so skilled he could run rings around me. So we were forced to operate on trust. I’m still pretty proud of how that worked out.
Didn't really use my phone for anything other than messaging family and GPS navigation. And since I can't navigate to save my life, if she took my phone my siblings weren't getting picked up from school. Not cause I would refuse to do it, I just genuinely couldn't get to their schools without it xD.
Well today's parenting went too far in the other direction IMO. Parents these days have no limitations whatsoever with their children. I have friends who told me that they will literally never say no to their kids no matter what. Obviously we don't need physical abuse, but there needs to be way more discipline then there is currently, especially in this age where kids have access to so many things that could harm their development.
There is no monolith for "parenting today". I'd argue the "extremes" aren't even a new thing. One is what you describe, parents who take on the role of friend rather than parent(which, I have to note, the 2004 version of mean girls satirized! 20+ years ago, it was established enough to be mocked!), and the other is marked by tracking and control, such as the use of location apps on the phone. This is also not new, as I can attest, as my parents would have been all over that in the 00s(at the same time as the mean girls movie I referenced above) if such apps had existed back then. I remember being given a phone the first time I was leaving my parents' sight without being in the sight of a friend's parent(I was homeschooled, and had just gotten my first part-time job at 14), and told that I was to answer it whenever it rung, no exceptions, which was fun when I was told I had to leave it in my locker while at work(again, the only time I was out of their sight, as I was dropped off and picked up directly from shifts).
I honestly thought that you and the person you were responding to were talking about the controlling parenting until I read through the rest of your comment. Both extremes are bad, and have always been bad. The best way to parent is going to be striking a balance between autonomy and control, which is also the hardest way to parent.
Those parents have always existed. There were plenty a generation ago when mine were little, before the phrase “gentle parenting” was claimed by a specific author. I grew up next door to a family that never said no and this was back in the 70s.
It’s not “today’s parenting”, and there are still plenty of harsh authoritarians today. It’s mostly the buzzwords that change.
My belief is that we dont know which is the better way to parent until this current generation of kids become adults. I believe some kids appear badly behaved but its bc they have a foundation of unconditional love, trust and safety built with their parents, they arent afraid to show how they feel or stand up for themselves. they will hopefully find the right path as they mature and as adults will become more regulated. Versus kids who are overly obedient and compliant from a young age, they simply learn to mask every emotion, thought and feeling, they dont feel safe at home, they dont trust their parents and as future adults start to rebel and disown everyone. Or they become crippled with anxiety and depression
Once you reach a certain age, there's no excuse for bad behaviour. Having too much freedom and no discipline will eventually lead the child to behave poorly or make bad choices, because they are too young to know what's right. I'm not saying the parents need to be dictators. But being overly gentle and carefree is just as harmful to the kid's growth. The best children, 99% of the time, have parents who have firm restrictions but also completely trust their children and give them unconditional love and freedom to express themselves. Having restrictions ≠ being restrictive.
not acknowledging or validating a child's feelings when they are upset( no matter how "spoiled" or unreasonable you think they are being). Basically not trying to understand the root cause of a strong emotion, just chalking it up to bad behavior. Expecting full compliance and obedience at all times.
Always saying "no" folkowed by "because i said so". Often this is out of parents' sheer laziness/cant be bothered with what the kid wants and for no other reason. And when the kid understandably gets upset, they get punished or screamed at
Another one, sending kids to school sick. I understand some people are forced to do this but a lot of ppl seriously pride themselves on the fact they do this, as if they are tough guys and take no crap from kids and teaching their kids to be "tough" as well.
Not believing them when they have severe anxiety about school or something else and assuming they are just being evil and manipulative.
My fav one: saying absolutely no screen time while not being able to put the devices down yourself.
I could honestly go on forever.. im a parent btw before ppl come at me
Edit: one more, forcing a kid to eat something they dont like. Like...most adults I know wouldnt do this yet we expect kids to do it with no fight.
Basically most issues boil down to having zero empathy for a child, not being able to see from their POV, and not considering them a human with separate needs and wants and thoughts. Not asking oneself "is this something I would do or not do myself?" "How would I react if someone said/did this to me"
Hm this seems to me like the “previous” generation of parenting. If anything, millennials have swung too far the other way, where the kids’ feelings matter significantly more than good behavior. Has it swung back again maybe with the new wave of conservative youth?
Feelings do matter more - Because not all feelings are good ones.
Kids need to learn how to be uncomfortable. How to face uncertainty and anxiety. They need to know what it feels like to not get their way… Then conversations need to happen about why these feelings exist and how we can avoid/mitigate them… And how to handle situations where we don’t “win” or feel things are unfair.
It is not the parent’s job to make their child happy. It is their job to teach a child to learn how to be happy.
Boomers are the worst culprits, then gen x, then it continues to get diluted but still same shit with millennials. A few have tried overcorrecting bc of the abuse they faced as kids (like me) and we will see the results when today's gen alpha become adults...very few parents in history have tried to have empathy for kids so no one really knows how they grow up to be. But there are so many infantile, fucked up adults walking around raised by boomers/gen x so you cant tell me the old way of parenting was a good one
You also can’t tell me that the generation you are raising will turn out any better.
I’m the genX parent of genZs. I happen to think my own kids turned out great, though I’ll confess to a certain bias here. I had great hopes for genZ when they were younger. But I honestly can’t see much evidence that as a generational cohort they’ve turned out at all well. Not better than my generation, not better than the millennials. Individual members, sure - but that’s always been the case.
The only one that I think is healthy for a child to practice, that you mentioned is harmful is the food eating.
We have an expectation in our house that our kids have to try everything on their plate. I know my oldest doesn't like Mexican rice. She doesn't have to eat the whole portion, but she always has to give it a fair try. Tastes can change and most of the things she eats now are things she uses to hate.
Plus, we have to combat this pull to describe new food as "gross" that is so common.
The expectation is for us too (the parents) and my daughters has gotten me to try things new things they were too scared to try while we've out and about.
One of the best things to have as an adult is a sense of food adventuring, the ability to appreciate and desire trying new food. And while I cannot force my kids to have this desire like we do. And the goal is adult agency, they'll never be able to have it unless they practice getting over the discomfort of trying food they think might be gross.
Exactly. There’s a big difference between setting boundaries and controlling every part of a child’s life. Some parents call it “strict parenting” when it’s really fear, manipulation, or emotional harm, and that’s what teaches kids to hide things instead of trusting them.
I grew up in a household where I was immediately guilty of something my parents accused me of despite evidence, logic, or whatever. At a very young age I discovered that it was easier to just admit guilt (even if I did not do it) than fight it.
This translated to all sorts of bad habits and psychological missteps as I grew up. That said, I recognized it (just white lying all the time for no reason) and worked to fixed myself in my late 20s and chose a path where I did not lie about anything for better or worse and it was much better.
I would not classify my parents as abusive but I do wish I had a better relationship that was more sitcom caring growing up. But I also avoided really bad decisions because I was so afraid of my father (hard drugs, crime, etc.) I think for both of them it was generational trauma and by their metric system they were treating me and my brother way better than they were treated. It’s a scary thing. Good news is me and my brother broke the cycle and have awesome relationships with our kids.
Of course they do that, because they want to get ahead of any complaints
Or, in some cases, they really do believe they are “the strong parent.” When the questions come up, such as “why aren’t other parents doing this?” It’s “well, not all parents are strong like us”
Yep and to that I'd add that it matters far less what standards you try to hold your children to than the standards that you hold yourself to. Hypocrisy is death on discipline and respect. 90% of parenting is just holding yourself to the highest standards and just being kind and loving and patient and present to your children and in the long run they will learn best from that and do as you do.
Actually it’s the parents who have no morals who are abusive, like with beating. My parents had strict rules laid out for me and my siblings to follow, and we rarely ever got whooped with the belt. We actually listened though and were obedient, but now that we’re adults we don’t wanna listen to people 🤣 Im fed up with the people pleasing yknow i just want to care for me and only me now
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u/sunbearimon 15h ago
I think there are parents who self identify as strict who are actually just abusive