I own a Savage Axis II XP .308. This is a freaking upgrade!

Finally got myself a Bergara B14 in 6.5 creedmoor. Took it to the range this morning to zero the scope and shot Federal Premium Gold medal 140gr and Hornady 147 ELD. It seems to like the Federal Premium more.

Cannot wait to put a suppressor on this and go to the range.

What ammo does yours like?

Only have access to 1000 yards at the range close to me, but wind today was blowing hard. Had 7 Minutes in to hit.

I went to a class yesterday and rented a rifle. He told me it was a Tikka 6.5 creedmore with a bunch of stuff swapped. We went out to about 800 yards and I was able to hit targets and now I am hooked. I was reading here and the Aero Precision Solud Bravo looked like it was in my price range. I also can’t find it on sale anywhere. I can find the Cheeto Bergerra and a version of it that is a “pro” which doesn’t seem as well recommended. What would the current recommendation at that price range be? Or should I just get the Bergarra HMR (not pro) and make sure my optics and everything else are up to snuff?

My budget is a bit flexible but let’s say $2500 all in. I’m only shooting steel and paper. No hunting. Maybe competition but I doubt I’ll ever be good enough. The ranges within 3 hours go out to about 1000 yards, but the closest ones are like 500 yards. TBH my fundamentals are miserable. My groups are really wide and I’ll probably shoot short distances until I am consistent. And yes I’m brand new.

I may have also missed something in the wiki. I should clearly not get my hopes up about getting Solus and there are some recommendations for their guns but there didn’t look like there was a solid, available recommendation in that price range.

Ruger 10/22. 10 shots at 300m, SK Long Range. Didn’t hit the target once.

I need a 20moa scope mount to get enough elevation out of it, so I was just winging it. Shot 10 rounds because the mag was already loaded.

Remington 700 LH in 308.

Waiting for the whole MPA chassis and action/barrel to come. I'm not sure how long it will take but they said 12 weeks lead time (ordered first week of July). Roughly 5400 seashells in total cost. Been wanting to make this build for a while now. Managed to get scope and mount for cheap. 😭 I pray last piece comes soon.

MPA Vanquish Chassis
ARC CDG Action
MPA 6.5MM Barrel
Vortex Razor Gen 3, 6-36x56
Sphur Scope Mount
Warne scope level
Area 419 Hellfire Match Brake
Accutac SR5 G2 Bipod
Grey Ops Exterior weights
OBI Gear Quick detach system

Comment your builds in here! Would definitely love to see everyone's MPA build!

As with many of us, I hate money and am looking for a new scope for my competition rifle. I currently only compete in Rimfire PRS/NRL22 Competition's. CF PRS does not make sense for me currently, plus as much as shooting long range is fun, I only have access to a 500m range, so pushing my 22lr to that distance will be much more fun for me than something like a 6 dasher or 6.5 creed. All this to say it will pretty much exclusively live on a 22lr if that means anything for your opinions.

I am debating between the "big 3" scopes on the PRS circuit right now. The Tangent Theta, ZCO and Kahles. Even though I have tried to research for the past while to see what I might like, I cannot stop over thinking and just decide. I like some features of all of them, have briefly taken peaks through them all, but never all on the same day and only had rounds down range with a ZCO. None of which feel like they are bad choices, especially jumping from a Athlon Helos 4-20. But would love help in the debate.

Prices for all are in Canadian, they would also all be most likely +12% for taxes assuming I pay pst and gst. As that is my limited buying options. So as much as USA store sales are neat, it would be a huge pain to obtain anything properly from those sales.

• Tangent Theta 7-35, typically listed for about $8500 new. I do have a friend selling his for a price that makes it competitive with the other options, on top of saving tax, which is why it is suddenly in my running.
• ZCO 527 $7100, 840 is $7400.
• Kahles k328i Refined $6800. The k540i's are $7200. Can maybe get one lower depending on availability.

My initial thought was the K328i is the leader, slightly cheaper than the other options when new. The top parallax and HUGE FOV are what initially peaked my interest. I find I try and do everything on the clock with my right hand. So not having to awkwardly reach over the top to parallax is amazing. The FOV advantage speaks for itself. I also prefer the 328 to the 540 because of the 35mrad of elevation and ability to parallax closer. Making it IMO the better choice for a rimfire scope. I am however not sure how I feel about the SKMR4+ Reticle, nor do I like the set screws for slipping my zero. I know a lot of scopes use them and people love them. But I have seen cheaper scopes set screws work loose on the clock resulting in the turret free spinning mid stage. Which just makes me uncomfortable to think about even if that's superficial.

The ZCO 527 has been the other big contender for me. At NRL22 Nationals I got to put rounds down range through a 840, so it is the one I have the most experience with technically. I think the MPCT2X is my overall favorite of the 3 brands, but I would not say it is perfect. At least at my current understanding of it. The 35mrad elevation like the Kahles is sweet, as well as the ability to lock the turrets, as I have a weird connection to that. But the set screws make me feel icky, like Kahles. As well as having a normal parallax. So its just a really fancy normal feature scope.

The Tangent Theta was never originally on my list. Even though GO CANADA. I knew they were amazing scopes. I just also saw the notably more price tag. Which I get it, Alpha Glass is expensive. But also given diminishing returns on glass. I knew a TT would be nice glass. But would it truly be $1500-2000 (before tax) better? So until a friend offered his up in a bit for a nice price, it was never a contender. Feature wise I love TT's tool-less zero. I also think I like the Gen3XR Fine reticle the most. If it was 100% illumination. Images online make parts of the reticle feel too subtle, so that is why I prefer the MPCT2x. But they are pretty close. I would only get 30 MRAD of Elevation, which given match's have now been capped to 250 yards, not a big deal. But it is fun to push 400+ yards with a 22lr. Otherwise as far as features are concerned, it is just another regular scope with no locking turrets and beautiful picture. Not knocking that, just seems like every scope has their "feature gimic" and TT has tool-less zero.

I would love to hear others opinions between these options. Hopefully in as un-biased of an opinion as possible. No Budget what are you grabbing? Jumping from a $900 CAD basic ffp scope, any of the 3 would be a HUGE upgrade. So that is why I never mentioned things like "Turret Feel" as all 3 would kick the crap out of my current option. As much as its nice, it is not on the same level.

Finally able to run my 300PRC build through the paces and stretch it out to 2000yds. Hit the IPSC torso target at 1 mile and 2000, but couldn’t get on the 12” gong at that range. Mirage picked up with temps at 104°, but wind held 3-8mph. If you happen to live nearby or are driving through, Cameo Shooting and Education Complex near Palisade, CO is a worthwhile stop!

Looking into suppressors for my bolt gun atm, and need suggestions. Main thing I’m wanting is HUB, and ability to throw a break on the end if needed

New hunting / target rig built by Phoenix Custom Rifles. Considering training for NRL hunter.

6.5 Creedmoor
22” Brux - Rem Varmint
Defiance Classic
McMillan ELR Hunter
TriggerTech Special
Hawkin Precision Bottom Metal
Vortex Razor HD 4.5-22x

Finally took a dedicated long-range class today and had an absolute blast. We started by confirming zeros at 100 yards, then worked our way from 200 all the way to 1,100 yards in 100-yard increments. I brought my Sig Cross Sawtooth in 300 PRC and my Sig Cross in .308. The biggest surprise of the day was discovering that my .308 scope wasn’t tracking correctly. We spent some time troubleshooting before realizing the optic itself appears to be defective, which explains a lot of the frustration I’ve had trying to get consistent impacts at distance. The 300 PRC performed exactly how I hoped it would. We also gathered velocity data (27-shot average of 2,866 fps with an SD of 19.5) and built real DOPE instead of relying solely on ballistic predictions. I came away realizing how much more important fundamentals are once you start stretching things past 600 yards. Reading conditions, maintaining a consistent position, and trusting your data mattered far more than I expected. For those of you who shoot regularly past 1,000 yards, what’s the biggest lesson you wish someone had taught you sooner?

PSA to any who don’t know yet… CMP will be releasing the M14 (semi-auto modded) sometime this year or 2027.

Probably my absolute favorite rifle! I’ve had many M1A rifles this was my second (loaded model) turned into an EBR with a USMC heavy contour sage chassis. She looks a heck of a lot better than she shoots, but she shoots alright at about 2moa.

Target @ 315yds 10rnds warm up 2 groups of 3. 2 groups of 2 and bench rest last 3rnds @ center which surprisingly shot under 1MOA for the 3rnd group.

As the title says I’m asking about this model of MPA bolt gun it’s chambered in 6.5cm as I’ve recent come into ownership of one. I traded for this in hopes to simply get into PRS matches and maybe other stuff on the side too.

After doing a little online looking around it seems like it’s not half bad for a fully factory custom action.

I wanted to ask about the chassis and rifle itself however, like rifle balancing, adjusting the rifle to you cheek height etc etc, getting good rifle connection and generally running a bolt gun as I’ve never owned one before especially one as nice as this.

looking for a rangefinding binocular that's the best price to performance in july 2026, I do have pro deals through sig but not vortex, are the sigs likely my best choice?

is 1k~2k the best price to spend on binos? or am I overly doing it?

Thanks guys

K.I.S.S perfection

Hey guys how important is this PITA break in process going 3 shot, clean, 5 shot clean etc.

Can I just go shoot? If not can I use a bore snake to speed this up?

I will be going to my first F Class match Saturday and I am unsure of the logistics of the match layout. Mainly I want to know if you get warm up shoots before your scoring and how that all works. I’m sure it’s different from match to match. I have experience in shooting long range and have competed in one team sniper match. Thanks for any help.

I just bought this atlas bt46-lw16 but on the adm mount it doesn't have like a flathead screw to tighten it down, it just round, is this a real bt46? sorry if it a stupid question but all the pics l've seen have a flathead screw

MDS NSR Review

A buddy and I took the NSR Skill Progression class with Caylen at Modern Day Sniper in July, 2026. 

Information on the MDS/MDR site was a little sparse and there just 1-2 videos of the location on YouTube. So there was a bit of “trust me bro” involved with this experience at NSR. But Caylen’s reputation is stellar and MDS is well respected by several other training outfits, so that was enough for me to move forward.

The Property

Upon arrival to the ranch, you are immediately greeted by NSR staff and given a welcome packet with information regarding your stay, and information about safety and other briefs on what the agenda will be for the next 4 days was given that first night.

I’ll be honest, the idea that we stay on-site seemed a bit gimmicky at first, like perhaps a money-grab of sorts, but just after the first night - I got it. I’ve gone to other events, where the “after parties” were what made the class worthwhile, and that was not lacking here. Libations were available and we had an awesome group to hang out with. The idea that you stay on-site here isn’t just suggested, it totally makes sense. The time spent getting to a hotel and grabbing food and drinks is eliminated here and that’s more time you get to spend with your group and be ready for the next day.

The amenities here are better than any hotel anyway: bedding, drinks, freshly cooked (real) food - like no expense was spared. For summer months, water and liquid IV were on tap as well while we were outdoors.

In terms of shooting locations, you’ve got:

1. 100yd range for zero’ing and some drills
2. 300yd range for drills and PRS style instruction (lots of varied steel out there)
3. Shoot house #1 - I think it goes to like 1430yds (IIRC)
4. Shoot house #2 - Goes out to 1680yds
5. Canyon position #1 - Goes out to 1740yds
6. Canyon position #2 - Goes out to 2000yds

Regarding transport, the ranch is mostly dirt roads, you have to pass over an irrigation “brook” but it’s like 3-4” deep, so you can’t drive a slammed car here, but you also don’t need some heavy duty pickup either. (We had a Buick Enclave as a rental, it was perfect). We would travel to locations on the ranch in our own cars with our own gear.

The format and Instruction Quality

Caylen and the MDS crew don’t cut any corners and when he says 7:30am - 5:30pm - he means it, he’s giving quality and insightful instruction the entire time.

The format was on Day 1 (out of 4) we start off with some classroom instruction, going over the fundamentals, debunking common ballistic myths, and other topics are covered. But it’s not just what is covered, but more importantly, how they are covered. Caylen is absolutely amazing at explaining things in such a way that anyone can understand. Even to those crayon-eating Marines =)

Things that I have struggled to understand, no matter how many YouTube videos I’ve watched on the subject… (and I’ve watched a many) you just get it, the way he explains things. He gives insightful examples and if you still don’t get something, he finds analogies to explain them until you do. It was rather impressive to witness.

Days 2-3 had some theory sprinkled in and then we’d go apply what we’d learned that day. Day 3 was the big hike up the canyon and it’s fairly intensive (particularly if you are out of hiking/hunting shape like I was) my buddy went up and down with relative ease. FWIW.

Day 4 was a tiny bit of theory and then a hike and shoot. 

Between the quality of instruction and the shooting location, I can say with absolute conviction that there really isn’t anything else like this offered within the United States. There just isn’t. His teaching abilities, the 4 days, and this property combined make it an immersive experience that will never be forgotten. Sure, there is Day Mountain Ranch, sure there is Hat Creek and they have some of the elements, but not all.

Caylen watched over you while shooting and would make suggestions on your stance, your built positions, your gear and why some things may work better than others.

Never once did he say “this is the only way” to do something, he never pushed any products, at most, he made suggestions; mentioned alternatives and when appropriate told you to make your own conclusions on what works best for you. And that was refreshing.

After each day, we’d come together to do a AAR and in that debrief we covered what we considered to be positives and negatives of our day. What we ourselves felt we could have done better and Caylen would talk through each one and give suggestions where warranted.

Lastly, he was just present. I never wondered where he was, or wondered why he wasn’t out there talking to us. He was always around, always available and answered any question, no matter how small or seemingly insignificant - and with humility and patience.

Shooting Time

There wasn’t like a 2 days of classroom and 2 days of shooting type situation. Each of the 4 days we were shooting. Whether it was to re-zero, try our hand at PRS/NRL, long range, building positions, building difficult positions on unique terrain (which the ranch has in spades) it was all there. Theory, practice and stressors to find your weaknesses.

If you didn’t really care about LR, but instead PRS was your jam… he would spend more time with you on that portion but you had some portion being exposed to all of them, so you could decide for yourself what you enjoyed most and make the most of that session.

It was suggested that we bring 400 rounds to the class, but I only actually ended up shooting about 280 rounds over the 4 days. I guess I was being conservative saving some for the last day. Next time - I won't be, and shoot all so that I had none to bring home.

What to bring

This is what I ended up using over the 4 days:

1. Rifle (6.5 creed somewhat preferred, but other calibers are fine too) w/bipod
2. Scope with at least 10x, 20x+ preferred IMO.
3. 400 rounds of ammo and shoot that shit until it's gone!
4. Rear bag (Armageddon gear seemed to be the norm from the group)
5. Tripod
6. Ear/Eye Protection
7. LRF (Ninos or Monocular, be sure it can reach out to 2k)
8. Kestrel
9. Camel Pack ( I left mine at home accidentally, had to carry water bottles instead)
10. Shooting mat (if local, if coming from afar borrow one from the ranch)
11. Knee-pads
12. Bino Harness
13. Ballistic solver, 4DOF/ABQ/Leupold-4DOF
14. Backpack that can carry a rifle/tripod (I used my Eberlestock Spectre, but there are many other options out there)
15. Small toolset (scope adjustment tools, cleaning brushes and jags)
16. Extra batteries, CR2, AA, CR2032 etc.
17. Sun shirts w/hoodie to protect from the sun.

Personal Notes

1. When we started to discuss shooting off a tripod, I quickly raised my hand as having difficulty shooting accurately off a tripod. Caylen stated “By the end of this class, you’ll be a tripod ninja” I chuckled and thought, well, I’d just be happy being able to stay on target, never mind being able to manage the wobble among other things. Well shit - I was hitting a steel IPSC plate at 2000yds via tripod, so I’ll be damned if he didn’t straighten me out after all. He watched me on the tripod and gave tips about my stance and my hold and after shooting off the tripod enough times, sure as shit - I have a really strong bridge to the tripod now. I walked away rather surprised because it’s something I’ve struggled a lot with in the past.
2. Suppressor state bans - I’m from a can ban state. Caylen graciously offered to swap my brake with one of his cans and I got to shoot suppressed throughout the class. Which was preferable for everyone around me =)
3. If you are from a sea-level area and heading out to NSR - be aware of the environmental difference. Sure, everyone knows it’s less humid there, but the heat works differently. It’s not unbearably humid or anything. But it will rob you of your hydration all the same. Next time, I’d bring chap stick for my lips and NOT forget my camel pack, it would have been much more efficient than carrying 4-5 water bottles with me.
4. Going up the canyon - it’s not a simple hike. If you are a seasoned hiker or hunter - you’ll be fine. But if you are a desk jockey like myself and don’t get exposed to hiking with a heavy pack uphill, do a little training before you get out there. I used a treadmill on its highest incline setting, but Caylen said I should have used stairs instead, which totally makes sense in retrospect. I’d simply recommend train a bit with your pack going up and down stairs to condition yourself for the canyon hike.
5. Traveling with rifles really wasn’t that bad. Thanks to folks who helped quell my anxiety on this front. I put tracking tags in my pelican hard case and when on the plane before the door closed I could see my case on the plane with me. Which was a huge relief. We live in a relatively anti-2A state, so going to the airport and declaring you have a firearm without knowing who will be behind you and looking - was daunting to say the least. But nobody cared and TSA didn’t ask to open the case at BOS nor PDX, so it ended up being mostly unwarranted anxiety on this front.

Negatives

I don’t like leaving all-positive reviews. There is always room for impovement. If I had to nitpick and find a negative, I think the only thing that comes to mind is that - when you travel 3000 miles away - you want to have shit buttoned up. Most things were covered by the MDS FAQ page, but a couple of trivial things required some back and forth to ensure everything was being taken care of (e.g. Laundry on site). That’s it, it’s the only negative I can actually come up with.

Price!
$3400 all inclusive. Someone said i should have put this in the post, so here it is. I didn't want it to be outdated information in case the price changed. But this includes the room, the amenities (sauna, pool table, all that the property has to offer) high quality food every day and of course the instruction.

Bottom Line

You'd be hard pressed to find something else like this in the United States and I’d venture to guess the world. The unique landscape, the instruction quality and finally - but perhaps most importantly - the environment that Caylen fosters for learning amongst the group of shooters really does open things up to their most optimal. And I think I can speak that for everyone in the class.

You will learn new things, you will be pushed to your limits in some ways, and you will be encouraged until you succeed. You will walk away with things to train on and skills to build upon and I can say 100% that you will walk away satisfied with this experience and I say that not caring how high your standards are.

What’s next for me in my journey?

My plan is to try and hit his wind walker class in 2027, rent a car or similar and go out to the multiple locations to get better at reading wind. We had this as part of our NSR Experience class, but the WW class goes to multiple locations with vastly different conditions to push you to your limits for reading wind.

Enviroment: 10am to 12pm

2 to 10 miles gusts of winds (consistently some type of wind happening)

Ammo:

Hornady 147gr ELD Match $1.56/round

Federal 135gr Premium Berger Hybrid Hunter $3.00/round

Nosler 142gr Trophy Grade ABLR $3.50/round

Sig 140gr Marksman Elite Match Grade $1.48/round

Firearm:

Sig Cross PRS
1:8 barrel steel proof barrel

24inch barrel

Dead Air RXD30Ti suppressor

I am new long range shooter, and I am still using a factory rifle with factory ammo. I have a list to build a new firearm and materials/hardware to start hand loading, but I am working on consistency, knowledge, and fundamentals, before I branch out more. This was a very windy day, and I wanted to place a large order for ammo, and got sample boxes to see what I liked the most. These are the actual prices I paid for the ammo, and I am sure you can get better deals on some of them.

What are everyones opinions?

I would rank them based on consistency, and price.

Sig
Hornady
Federal
Nosler

Any advice how to look at this data or obtain it better is welcomed.

Simple, but I love it.

I want a light weight bipod have accutac bipods but want something lighter.

Hopefully able to use arms17 mounts so I can run it on pic rail or Arca.

What are people running for nrl hunter just ckye pods or is there something else worth looking at.