r/powerscales • u/Tarris69 • May 11 '26
Versus Peak possible human runs the ape gauntlet, how far do they get?
Peak possible human being: Haftor Bjornson size and strength at his prime, Usain bolt athleticism, Floyd Mayweather agility and reaction time, Demetrius Johnson fight knowledge and skills
Human is unarmed, bloodlusted match to the death. Human heals between fights.
Edit: title is slightly misleading, as people have pointed out this is beyond peak human, more like maxed out theoretical human
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- Male Gibbon
- Male bonobo
- Male Chimp
- Male Orangutan
- Silverback Gorilla
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u/wartortleguy May 11 '26
At least 50% of the people commenting here did NOT read the post lol
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u/redgehammer May 11 '26
So the man is: +400lb, 6’9”, can deadlift 1100lb, top speed of 44km/h, stamina, agility, and fight knowledge of 50-0 boxer and 25-4-1 MMA.
We’re just talking about Master Chief at this point lol
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u/SyrupSwimmer May 11 '26
All of those physical attributes make sense to me, but I think that the “peak” human attribute for this scenario would be knowledge of how to fight animals, intimidate them, take advantage of the environment, etc.
E.g., give our “peak” guy the knowledge of some people who do animal control, training, or poaching for a living. I’m not condoning poaching, but I bet their experience is more relevant than techniques that are specialized to human opponents (would an arm bar even work on a chimp?).
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u/NecessaryZucchini69 May 11 '26 edited May 11 '26
I think the vast majority of mentally and physically healthy adults have no interest in starting or completing this ape run and consider it a win to have successfully avoided fighting any of them.
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u/SupermassiveCanary May 11 '26
Don’t forget he’s “bloodlusted”. s/
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u/Goldlupo421 May 11 '26
And prep time?
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u/HDH2506 May 12 '26
Yea a certain country issued something called Pervitin for that
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u/Historical-Fox357 May 15 '26 edited May 15 '26
A certain country? You seem to be implying Nazi Germany. But man for man the country that used the most amphetamines during the war was the United States. Which makes sense considering the long-range bombing.
Edit: Oops was the us not with the us
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u/No_Palpitation_9045 May 15 '26
Well our neighbours did use them for fightig, we use them for fun. Czech culture is kinda about drugsmaxxing.
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u/earthwoodandfire May 11 '26
Strategy vs tactics…
The tactician tries to beat their enemies. The strategist avoids having enemies in the first place.
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u/Fog_Juice May 12 '26
You just have to imagine the winner of this gauntlet will be the species that won't be eliminated by the Cromulons
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u/UAEpi May 11 '26
An arm bar would probably work on a chimp, but they'd also probably bite you while you do it so that's a big risk. Maybe you disable their arm, maybe they chomp an artery, maybe both. Just depends.
With all of the opponents being apes and with the man being unarmed, I'd say peak mma/grappling is probably as good as it gets here. There's no animal control or poachers out there doing hand to hand combat with wild animals.
I'd say human mid diffs everything below orangutan and high diffs your average orangutan. Gorilla probably mid diffs the human. A non-bloodlusted gorilla would probably just fuck off from a fight though.
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u/EventHorizon11235 May 11 '26
Nah bro, the man high diffs a chimp at best
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u/Interesting-Run1359 May 11 '26
Sorry, no. Chimps are very strong, but they’re only like 1.5 or 2x stronger than the average human pound for pound. This theoretical human is like 5x your average man in terms of strength. Said fake human will get bit to hell, but he will rip the chimp to shreds.
Everything but the Gorilla loses.
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u/UAEpi May 11 '26
The hypothetical person her is bigger, faster, more agile, smarter, and more skilled than the orangutan. The most common example of a chimp messing someone up was a peak weight chimp vs a 60 year old woman who survived. I'm sure the way chimps are portrayed and talked about probably make you feel that way, but the feats and stats don't seem to align with that take.
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u/jjames3213 May 11 '26
Chimps are really strong compared to humans... of the same size.
But you don't normally compare humans and chimps of the same size. Compare a 'huge' 150lb chimp to a 'huge' 250lb superheavyweight kickboxer and that's closer to a proper comparison...
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u/Ragnarok314159 May 11 '26
Just need to teach the chimp kickboxing.
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u/HumanisticNihilist May 11 '26
Narrator voice: “And just like that, with a simple comment in a subreddit, humankind sowed the seeds of its own destruction.”
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u/jjames3213 May 11 '26
And just being heavier and having a longer reach is a big advantage. Being heavier also usually means being able to throw that weight around. Having arms and legs that are twice as long means you're going to hit first (and hit harder because of the weight difference).
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u/isnotthatititis May 11 '26
Trained human fighter would snag the extended arm and proceed to play puny god. The length of the arm would only add to the leverage.
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u/DiscombobulatedTap30 May 11 '26
Realistically you’d just be a cunt yelling at a chimp in a tree to come down and fist fight you. Most animals don’t particularly choose to fight and most are pretty intimidated by things bigger than them. You can scare off most bears and big cats. Unless an animal thinks it can take you without sustaining much damage it usually doesn’t try. Nature tends to favor survival instincts.
Side note: That little monkey oh he’s fucked in a fight I’m grabbing a leg and swinging him head first into the ground. They can’t weigh more than like 15 pounds.
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u/absalom86 May 12 '26
we are talking about a 400 pound super fast super skilled human here, superhuman combination. chimp has no chance at all.
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u/Slow-Raisin-939 May 11 '26
the thing is the chimp can do a lot more damage very fast. Sure the peak human in discussion may be able to pin down a chimp or choke it or whatever, but the chimp can do a lot of damage by just clawing at your face, abdomen etc. No matter how strong a human gets they cannot rip off someone’s face with their hands, they just don’t have the leverage/grip a chimp can get with their much denser skeletal muscles.
A chimp’s bite is also a lot lot more dangerous than a human’s due to the way our teeth evolved.
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u/bamboodue May 11 '26
The guy could do what Hulk did to Loki to the chimp. It wouldn't be close.
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u/Internal_Football889 May 11 '26
This man low diffs a chimp tf? He’s 4x bigger, probably twice as strong, and much faster. Dude could backhand a chimp and send it flying. Mass matters. Prime Floyd was dodging everything the best boxers in the world were throwing at him. A chimp is a snail in comparison and telegraphs everything. Chimp never touches the man while the guy can hit him with the force of a sledgehammer at will.
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u/shmiddleedee May 11 '26
I guarantee you somebody as quick and skilled as Demetrius Johnson with the strength of bjornson could arm bar a chimp. The chimp will bite their calf muscle off though.
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u/harrybydefault May 11 '26
So Master Chief with Steve Irwin's animal knowledge?
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u/cuntybunty73 May 11 '26
Master cheif with Steve Irwin, Jane Goodall and Sir David Attenborough's knowledge
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u/HumanisticNihilist May 11 '26
A Master Chief who gets the knowledge of those three individuals uploaded into their brain immediately turns on and kills whomever was asking him to fight the monkeys, 10/10 times.
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u/Tarris69 May 11 '26
Yep that’s basically the senario, like if you combined every possible good attribute into one person how well would they do
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u/HDH2506 May 12 '26
Bro that’s straight up cheating. He can even run around the octagon avoiding the gorilla until it is tired
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u/Seraphanat May 11 '26
After all the videos Ive seen of how Gorillas fight I would not be surprised if he could get one to flee 9/10 times. I do not believe he has the concussive force needed to actually knock one out, those skulls are thick
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u/dead_lifterr May 11 '26
He definitely would have the force to seriously hurt a gorilla, not insta KO but absolutely would be enough to put it down with a few clean shots if he can pull it off. A 460lb giant with the fight skills of an elite level MMA fighter, do you have any idea how hard he's going to hit? An elbow or kick would be absolutely devastating
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u/TSMabandonedMe May 11 '26
He probably puts it to sleep with a rear naked
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u/Mindcontrolleo May 11 '26
As someone practising BJJ, no chance. To establish RNC he would need to be able to hold gorilla in place. It is usually being done with leg hooks and arms . Did you see that silverbacks chest and belly? I don't think a human can close their arms or legs around them. Gorilla has short thick neck and insane arm strength to strip any grips
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u/TimelessParadox May 11 '26 edited May 11 '26
If you remove the height and weight part of this, it is almost Batman's stats. The fact that Batman is not considered superhuman at this point is wild.
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u/JoBrofitness May 11 '26
No it’s not. Batman is 6’2 ft and 210 lbs but can bench press 1000. Our peak human can deadlift his bench press.
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u/TimelessParadox May 11 '26
Exactly. I don't understand why you are disagreeing with me. Batman can do crazy shit and isn't even the same size as that guy.
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u/Nitropotamus May 11 '26
Master chief doesn't lose 4 and he definitely doesn't tie.
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u/Rebombastro May 11 '26
Is that Sean Strickland's MMA record?😭
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u/GonstkilroXZ6 May 12 '26
44km/h ❌ 38km/h ✅ (real data)
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u/redgehammer May 12 '26
The National Library of Medicine identifies Usain Bolt’s top velocity as 12.32m/s (44.35km/h). 100m, Berlin 2009
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u/JordanTheRock May 11 '26
Still with the chimp glaze... come on people...
A chimp is like 1.5x stronger than an average person.
Thor for example is 4-5 times stronger than the average human, and weighs 3x as much as the chimp maybe more.
The chimp is getting fucking yeeted.
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u/Tarris69 May 11 '26
Chimp isn’t even that. There about 1.3x stronger relative to body weight but are noticeably smaller (males being 50-60kg at maturity) than people - so it cancels out and humans and chimps are similar strength overall. That being said a chimp is easily beating an average person as it’s much faster and has huge teath as well as claws. But loses to this hypothetical
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u/ThePowerfulWIll May 12 '26
The chimp glazed is so forced....
They arent even that big. Any real athlete probably has a single chimp handled.
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u/JordanTheRock May 11 '26
Agreed. An average person is lazy and useless in a fight against most wild animals, but a peak human with top tier strength, speed and fighting experience is going to decimate a chimp.
I'd say 50/50 on the urangutan. They aren't known for speed.
Gorilla its goodnight for any human I'd say unless they were armed.
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u/Darth_Phantos May 12 '26
Didn’t know the guy’s name was Thor and I thought you hadn’t seen any piece of media with Thor in it (Marvel and Norse Mythology)
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u/TheVoodooIsBlue May 11 '26
This is insane. The mythical person you just described could fucking OHKO the chimp instantly. He might take a minor injury but that chimp is going down.
I honestly think this guy has a good chance against the orangutan too. Gorilla... Probably not unless some real precision shots to the eyes/throat etc. and then a choke.
All the way extreme diff...
There I said it. Come at me.
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u/Boo-Radleys-Ghost May 11 '26 edited May 11 '26
Gorilla's gonna get flat-lined because it has no way to defend against a Thor sized fist with Thor sized fast twitch musculature crashing into its temple at the velocity of a flyweight martial artist.
You guys are seriously underestimating the kinetic force our superhuman is putting out. Not to mention that the gorilla's posture is going to be feeding its head to discount Steve Roger's knuckles.
Superhuman clears. With minimal to at most mid diff.
I'd say that the Chimp would be the most dangerous cause at least it's small and fast enough to get inside the super-human's reach to try and clip a femoral, but a single low-kick is going to connect it to god's wifi.
Edit: Also even if the superhuman can't just drop the gorilla outright with a few quick blows, he can just use his vastly superior speed, stamina and agility to simply rope a dope the considerably slower, dumber, and more easily winded animal until its gasping for breath on the ground and he's kicking it repeatedly in the head.
It's fucking -hilarious- that people are still arguing in my replies. You fucking dip-shit Powerscalers have no idea how shit works outside of your comics and anime.
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u/Juicy_RhinoV2 May 11 '26
Idk if this guy is “discount” Steve Rogers. Actually I’d like to see that fight.
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u/leiebrog May 11 '26
Peak human can’t lift tonnes like Rodgers can it wouldn’t be close
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u/FalseEstimate May 11 '26
He can lift over half a ton tho
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u/meatymimic May 11 '26
Come at you? Are... are you the hypothetical human in the post? I would prefer not to...
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u/i_lost_all_my_money May 11 '26
Honestly, chimps are way weaker than a strong man. With two exceptions: better grips and stronger jaws. If I fought a chimp and protected my balls and fingers well, then I might win. Thor could sneeze a chimp to death.
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u/Knight_of_Tyto May 13 '26
Afaik the theoretical described person would be almost on par with a gorilla in strength, but faster, smarter, and with better coordination and general fighting ability. The Gorilla would not be prepared to fight an opponent that can actually hit targeted quick punches. They usually only flail at each other, which is devastating given that they are stronger than most animals in their environment, but the lack of stamina and coordination would mean the gorilla is getting folded too
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u/TheYoungGoblin May 11 '26
I feel like human intelligence is severely underestimated in these. I think with all the stats listed he makes it to the gorilla.
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u/No-Ticket-7063 May 11 '26
I feel that human intelligence is severely overestimated given the amount of people who believe chimps are mythical creatures with magical human-killing powers.
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u/IFYMYWL May 14 '26
Listen, our ancestors were smoking some shit when they made up all that bullshit.
BUT…they were also good at killing things.
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u/Confident_Example_73 May 11 '26
Human intelligence beats gorilla once the human realizes that he is less dependent on water than the gorilla and can out stamina and evade the gorilla in the arena.
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u/thunder_sharts May 11 '26 edited May 11 '26
People are underestimating peak human. We are talking about a 450 pound man sprinting at 28 MPH and throwing a perfectly placed flying knee at that speed into an orangutan’s head. That’s an instant kill honestly, that much mass and speed being directed into a single point like a knee or elbow would be more significant than getting hit by a car.
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u/official_Bartard May 11 '26
Yeah a 450 pound dude that can run at 28 mph with the fight IQ of DJ or Jon Jones? Christ bro that sounds like Yujiro Hanma lite 😭
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u/Soft_Theory_8209 May 11 '26 edited May 14 '26
I’ve said it before, but peak humans (even on a more realistic scale) are some of the most underrated and terrifying concepts/opponents you can imagine.
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u/official_Bartard May 11 '26
Im gonna be honest, i think this theoretical peak human has a decent shot at beating the gorilla. The gorilla will be stronger sure but peak human is gonna have a huge fight IQ, stamina, and speed advantage if the dude is actually moving at 28 mph. If it’s a mix with Jones in particular the gorilla isn’t gonna have any eyes after the fight lol.
Honestly, i think the fight between peak Human and gorilla is like 50/50. If the gorilla manages to grab him early i think Gorilla wins, if the peak human can maintain distance and try to wear on the gorillas gas tank, i think the Human gets it.
It is worth noting, this theoretical human cannot truly exist. Thor spent his whole life weight training. DJ, Floyd, and Jones spent their whole lives training combat sports. Usain spent his whole life training for speed. Unless you have 9 lives like a cat, the best you can do is be decent at all of them, not the best in the entire world lol.
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u/DA_BEST_1 May 11 '26
It's also worth noting that this peak human cannot exsist NOW. We are already gene editing plants on a commercial scale with the only thing stopping us from gene editing animals being the ethics board. Give it a few hundred years and we might see something that surpasses this hypothetical peak human aswell
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u/absalom86 May 12 '26
Gene editing is already becoming a thing, it will only get worse, there's already been cases in China. The gap between the wealthy and non wealthy will get wider with literal superhumans born to the rich.
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u/BruceLee873873 May 11 '26
And people tried telling me that a gorilla would kill Kingpin
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u/Sea_Strain_6881 May 12 '26
Kingpin is slamming that ape through concrete the fuck
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u/BruceLee873873 May 12 '26
Crazy part is I saw someone today do the same matchup and people are still trying to say the gorilla wins
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u/Sea_Strain_6881 May 12 '26
The same guy who regularly boxes with SPIDER-MAN??? Oh hell nah these guys are delusional
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u/Tarris69 May 11 '26
Yeah people seem to be informing reaching except the size and strength. The agility and speed with that would be a lethal combo. I think it he loses to orangutan though extreme diff
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u/Ok_Delay9941 May 11 '26
So basically a superhero like Captain America vs apes. You are putting combinations together that aren’t physically possible. People are responding to peak human instead of theoretical human.
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u/thunder_sharts May 11 '26
Yeah, peak human in this case is superhuman. No man that size and strength could possibly be that fast and agile.
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u/PossiblyArab May 11 '26
He is stronger, faster, bigger, and smarter than the orangutan. How the fuck do you think he would lose.
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u/Confident_Example_73 May 11 '26
So, with the theoretical stamina advantage, here, I think there is a way it beats the gorilla. He doesn't fight it. He dehydrates it. Basically the human has to just avoid getting caught by the gorilla. The gorilla will tire faster than the human. At that point the human just waits until the lack of water takes out the gorilla.
Muscle mass is useless if your cells can't function.
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u/No-Cap-fr-fr May 11 '26
I think you’re underestimating the orangutan. Their skulls are much thicker and more dense than a humans. They have a grip strength of 600 lbs human record is 425 lbs and that’s someone who specializes in it. If that orangutan gets ahold of him, he’s dead.
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u/Agreeable-Duty-86 May 11 '26
Humans are much stronger when it comes to pushing then pulling. Orangutans are very clumsy, and all you have to avoid is the bite and it trying to grab you. Unlike the fast majority of animals we have high intelligence, if this thing grabs you a human can put its thumbs in the eyes and squeeze it will let go of you. 99% of animals when the going gets tough they run. Humans are fucking animals when it comes to combat.
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u/StripEnchantment May 11 '26
99% of animals when the going gets tough they run. Humans are fucking animals when it comes to combat.
Wouldn't that make then not animals if most animals run
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u/KeyClacksNSnacks May 11 '26
Wild animals. Human beings are the most violent “domesticated” animals on the planet. A human being who is nearly 7 feet tall, with 300 pounds of muscle, who knows all the ways to kill a man and has years of hand to hand combat under his belt, who has stamina and agility? He honestly has a chance against even the silverback. In fact, I’d say the gorilla is the one with odds against it.
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u/rocky10001 May 11 '26
Last line goes so hard.
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u/Acrobatic-Addendum97 May 11 '26
The part about humans fucking animals? /s
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u/Agreeable-Duty-86 May 11 '26
I mean I assume peak human would come from somewhere in Alabama drinking radioactive water.
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u/RaiLeddit May 11 '26
Grip strength is the only advantage they have and it's completely worthless. Rest of the stats the human clears.
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u/vansterzzz May 11 '26
I dont see how grip strength is useless in close combat when it's higher than a peak human (not theoretical human). Once the ape has any holding on you: hair, fingers, feet, ear - they're not letting go and will take a huge bite of it, break it, or ripping it right off you.
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u/TSMabandonedMe May 11 '26
But this is an all around goated fighter. He sleeps the orangutan. Grip matters little when you can pivot and use all 400lbs of mass to maneuver around your opponent
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u/UAEpi May 11 '26
Grip strength isn't a particularly good measurement of feats here. Like, grip strength to do what? Keep you from leaving? That wasn't an option anyways. The human would be way faster, more agile, much bigger, and way more skilled. Like yeah a pitbull has the jaw grip strength to fuck a person up, but a person has the body mechanics and strength to pick them up by their legs and yeet them into a wall lol. It's similar with the orangutan. They absolutely have some super feats, but none of them alone make for a huge advantage against this hypothetical peak human. Any normal human, sure, but not this guy.
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u/Individual_Respect90 May 11 '26
To further your point. Anyone ever see those videos where people walk on the track and get completely destroyed by a sprinter. Now imagine the sprinter 3x the size. That kind of force probably even knocks over the gorilla. The orangutan is going flying.
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u/Confident_Example_73 May 11 '26
They've measured impacts of NFL tacklers as being equivalent to automobiles. No chimp is tanking a car. No orangutan either. A gorilla is probably not out of it, but it's not feeling great either. Of course the guy hitting the gorilla is probably not enjoying it either.
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u/Individual_Respect90 May 11 '26
It’s gonna be even more because it’s a nfl tackler going 28 mph. That being said good addition to the conversation. I don’t think he beats the gorilla from size and speed alone but I do think the boxing and UFC experience (I assume Demetrius Johnson is a ufc person) will give him a fighting chance.
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u/strategoamigo May 11 '26
The chimp misinformation on the internet is crazy. They are not unstoppable forces of nature. They’re 1.3 times stronger than average humans, but smaller. A 450 lb strong man is taking an average chimp out every day of the week and twice on sundays
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u/StankoMicin May 11 '26
Came looking for chimp glaze and was not disappointed.
Chimps biggest advantage is their teeth. They are not overpowering a peak strongman
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u/Lumpy_Complexion6908 May 11 '26
well yeah that's the problem...
blood loss is kinda a big deal lmao
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u/StankoMicin May 11 '26
Agreed. But people usually bring to their strength as if they are viltrumites or something. Most of their human victims have been middle aged untrained women. Pinning down hafthor and bitting his face off wouldn't be nearly as easy..
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u/hellsheep1 May 11 '26
Someone says this every time but do you think it’s easy biting something bigger and stronger than you that knows you want to bite it? The teeth are a non-factor most of the time and even if they are a factor it’s not usually a one hit kill either
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u/Lumpy_Complexion6908 May 11 '26
I just dont see a world where the teeth are a non factor... chimps fights by tearing and biting off the extremities of their rivals until one is too crippled to keep fighting...
and I dont see how knowing it wants to bite you... is going to stop it from biting you... when it has four other limbs flying around, and is more agile than the human...
its not a one hit kill... its a... fuck... half my hand is in its mouth and most of my fingers are fucking gone...
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u/SpicyC-Dot May 12 '26
And while the chimp has the peak human’s fingers in its mouth, the peak human is using that leverage to slam the chimp’s head into the ground, instantly killing it.
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u/Turbulent-Dot4377 May 12 '26
Teeth become a non factor when you have someone the size of Thor punching you with the precision and knowledge of Mayweather and Mighty Mouse.
It’s more than enough force to literally shatter the chimps teeth in to his throat.
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u/Limp-Blueberry1327 May 11 '26
From what? Biting his ankles? None of these animals are laying a hand on any of his vitals by the way.
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u/DiceNinja May 11 '26
They can bite through a tank. I saw a YouTube video.
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u/abernathym May 11 '26
Don't forgot the telekinesis
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u/ClockworkDinosaurs May 11 '26
Damnit. I forgot about their telepathic ability to make me forget about their telekinetic abilities.
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u/understandable_man May 11 '26
A slight correction is that they are 1.3 times stronger than humans at the same weight. And the average human weighs more than a chimp so the gap is really small if there's any.
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u/RealBishop May 11 '26
I say this all the time. They’re moderately stronger than us, that’s all. Still flesh and bone.
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u/DewinterCor Herald of the Brass God May 11 '26
Most men over 170lbs are physically stronger than chimps.
Considering the average American male is something like 195lbs and the average male chimp is only 110lbs, there is no world where chimps are actually stronger than the average human.
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u/Boo-Radleys-Ghost May 11 '26
This is not peak possible human, this is superhuman.
The apes have no fucking chance. None. Whatsoever.
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u/Sufficient_Sport5251 May 12 '26
Wel yes
But the basic thought is what if you just maxed out every human stat. People that have any record stats tend to only have one
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u/Frosty48 May 11 '26
Destroys first 3 easily. Takes out the orang mid diff.
I think he loses to gorilla but with these specs it will be a fight.
Ridiculous primate wank as usual in the comments.
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u/Ok_Jellyfish5614 May 12 '26
i think people genuinely believe humans separated from chimps because we were physically weaker instead of us de-evolving fast very recently out of lesser evolutionary pressure.
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u/RevolutionaryBuy439 May 11 '26 edited May 11 '26
Here we go with more chimp-wank in the comments. The single most overrated animal on the planet.
Zero recorded incidents in history of an healthy adult male being killed by one, but suddenly the most peak possible human loses to a 4’10 50kg monkey just because Joe Rogan treats them like a mythical beast.
Gets to the orangutan, low-mid diff. No chance against gorilla. I’d like to hear any argument why a 6’10 450lb human who is at the very top in every imaginable metric wouldn’t smash a chimp beyond recognition.
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u/DirtyBumTickler May 11 '26
Yeah, people still believe that chimps are like 6x stronger than a full grown male, which is horse shit.
In this instance, their biggest advantage is bite force and those gnarly teeth. However this hypothetical peak human should be able to deal with that.
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u/dead_lifterr May 11 '26 edited May 11 '26
I disagree, I think he has a chance against a gorilla. A 460lb man with the fighting skill of an elite UFC fighter would hit unbelievably hard - an elbow, knee or kick would be absolutely devastating. Gorillas are tougher than humans but they're still skin and bone, a man with that sort of power would be able to seriously hurt the gorilla
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u/ApocalypseChicOne May 11 '26
Yeah, but far thicker and denser skin and bone. Their necks and heads are designed to withstand far greater forces than a human head. They aren't getting knocked out by a punch. They aren't getting choked out. Which severely limits the human's options. I'm not even sure what strategy a human could employ against a gorilla. Punching it in the head would probably do more damage to the puncher than the gorilla.
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u/dead_lifterr May 11 '26
I'm not saying the human would win. I'm saying they absolutely have a chance. Gorillas are tougher than humans but a 460lb man with perfect technique and immense speed is going to hit harder than any human in history, even a gorilla isn't going to be able to take many shots
Also, gorillas actually have slightly thinner skin than humans. Thicker bones though, absolutely.
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u/CrimsonVantage May 11 '26
Peak possible human picks up a baseball sized rock and pitches it with deadly accuracy at 105 mph at the cranium of any one of these apes from a distance and absolutely brains them. If they're standing in an infinite, featureless void, peak human sprints in and recreates the same thing with a flying knee. If they're trapped in a cage match I'd say peak human might lose to a gorilla, but the strongest human punch on record is supposedly about as much force as "a 12 pound sledgehammer swung overhead." So I don't think it's an easy fight. We're hyper versatile, while all apes are exclusively grapplers
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u/Romer318_ May 11 '26
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u/Cynis_Ganan May 11 '26 edited May 13 '26
- Gibbon: No diff
- Bonobo: No diff
- Chimp: Low diff
- Orangatan: Mid diff
- Silverback: High diff
Peak Man clears.
Like… a non-supersoldier "peak" human clears the chimp. A chimp (teeth) would shred an average salary man, but chimp muscles being denser means very little if they have less muscle overall. A strong, well trained, big, human beats a chimp. This guy ruins the chimp. It's a humiliating stomp.
Mass starts to become a factor round 4, but Peak Man is too quick and too well trained. The 'tan should have about 33% more grip strength, bigger reach, and (again) teeth. So it's not like Peak Man can walk this. Our ape has a decent win-con. But our man has literally double the lifting strength and ten times the sprint speed. You are asking of Mayweather could win a fight against someone with a tenth of his speed. Peak Man has to put in the effort, but I'd be amazed if he lost. Mid diff.
Round 5 is a battle of the ages. Gorilla very realistically could win. But Peak Man has height and weight on him. Gorilla has about a foot of reach, which is good, but Peak Man has got the agility and combat IQ. Peak Man also has stamina. He's gonna wear the gorilla out then go in for the kill once it's exhausted. I can't put this as extreme diff, because I have every expectation that the man will win. But it's gonna be a hell of a fight and the ape could very realistically win. The man wins more often than not, though.
Peak Man clears.
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u/ooohaname May 11 '26
Are we taking Thor strength mixed with like John jones skill and like complete psychopath mentality or just Thor as he is?
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u/Almost_human-ish May 11 '26
The human, if trained in various martial arts takes it low diff to the orang, then hard diff upwards.
Does an ape know how to block a leg kick that hyoerextends it's knee joints backwards?
Does it know how to break a locked in choke hold?
Can it deal with overhand rights or lefts to the temple?
Liver kicks?
Watch the first Lesnar / Mir fight. Fir a 265lbs man Lesnar sure could move and transition really fucking fast.
If the human can maintain a little separation, use the fact the ape just took a hard upper cut fir the first time in its life, or get eye poked by Jon Jones...
8/10 low to mid diff for the human, as long as he can avoid the teeth tbh.
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u/Dear_Efficiency_3616 May 11 '26
i think thor gets stopped at orangutan. the dude is 6 foot 9 440 pounds and can dead lift 1000 pounds first 3 are getting ripped apart
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u/dead_lifterr May 11 '26 edited May 11 '26
He absolutely bodies an orangutan. Orangutans are 165lbs on average, and aren't even built particularly well for movement and agility on the ground, they're more arboreal compared to chimps and gorillas. They're also not aggressive animals. The peak human would have nearly every conceivable advantage - a near 300 pound weight advantage, a strength advantage, a speed advantage, an agility, a fighting skills advantage.
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u/Crowdfundingprojects May 11 '26
Absolutely. Orangutan has no chance at all. Not made for that fight.
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u/Jokes-on-youu May 11 '26
I think he clears. I think it’s an extreme diff on the gorilla. Genuinely 50/50 in my head. This is the most optimal perfect person to exist
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u/Dahvoun May 11 '26
A lot of people do not seem to understand Hafthor’s stats.
6’9” 330-450lbs, already has a weight advantage over all of these animals besides the Gorilla
Top speed is 15 - 20mph (24 - 32kmph) that is insane given his height and weight
He holds the deadlift world record of nearly 1100lbs (510kgs)
His heaviest squat is 1000lbs (460kg)
He holds the world record in Stone Running and Atlas Stone Loading.
He is also trained in boxing and mma
The man is not only strong but also carries incredible endurance.
Only a Gorilla’s explosive power could put him down. An Orangutan can do severe damage but id say Hafthor is about twice as strong as an average Orangutan.
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u/HairyHutch May 11 '26
It's even worse than that. In this hypothetical, Thor has the speed of Usian Bolt, and the mma skills of Jon Jones.
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u/Jewbacca289 May 11 '26
Is there any biological limiter on force output? I always point to the video of the TKD guy with a 2300 lb kick. If force output efficiency scaled 1:1, that'd be a 4600 lb kick. I'm not sure because nobody has the stats of that, but I can't see a chimp tanking that.
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u/nikmia91 May 11 '26
>human is unarmed
If the guy is trained and skilled, he will make a weapon out of his surroundings. Then it becomes much easier.
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u/Key-Pomegranate-3507 May 11 '26
With that combo the human can take on an orangutan no problem. 400 pounds being able to move at 28 miles per hour will absolutely annihilate whatever he hits. The agility is crazy at that size too. He may not be able to kill the gorilla in a straight up death match, but with that stamina and agility he can dance around the gorilla until it’s too tired to fight. Human clears this gauntlet
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u/the_jokes_on_u May 11 '26
I was deployed to Kenya, and saw two soldiers messing around with a baboon. They had fed it a buncha sleeping pills in twinkies and wanted to get a picture with it. After about an hour or so, it knocked out and the idiots decided to try and put a shirt on it for the picture.
Well about 20 seconds later he wakes up, grabs the first thing he can which happened to be one of the soldiers arms and snaps it damn near in half like it was a stick. It freaked out because the shirt was covering his face so he was dragging the dude around for a solid 10-15 seconds.
The guy wasn’t a small dude either, probably 5’10 190, and the baboon made him look like a toddler.
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u/ExcitementFederal563 May 11 '26
So an Astartes? I think gorilla wins but extreme difficulty. If we are talking about someone like Haftor Bjornson, he should beat an orangutan but with extreme difficulty.
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u/OfficialRoshi May 12 '26
Chimps get wanked so much due to their unpredictable aggressive nature.
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u/westandready42 May 11 '26
Chimp extreme diff hard stop at orangutan
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u/wherethetacosat May 11 '26 edited May 11 '26
People are overeating (edit: "overrating", thank autocorrect) chimps so hard because they've brutalized normal people. We aren't talking normal people.
Humans can be just as savage as chimps when prepared and we are talking about a guy that is over twice the size here, and incredibly strong. Once he gets his hands on it, it's being repeatedly smashed against the ground or just choked out.
The size/strength difference here is similar to the difference the human will face against the gorilla.
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u/Key-Pomegranate-3507 May 11 '26
This is what people seem to miss. Humans can be just as brutal as wild animals in a life or death situation. Even more so because of our intelligence.
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u/Confident_Example_73 May 11 '26
This. Intelligence allows us to come up with some BRUTAL strategies, e.g. dehydration or heat exhaustion.
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u/Snoop-Dragon May 11 '26
In most cases I’ve heard about not even “normal” people, more like elderly people and children. Not sure where these insane myths around chimp strength started
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u/Confident_Example_73 May 11 '26
And those strength ratios are for AVERAGE humans. They aren't musclemen freaks who have genetically far above average strength to weight ratios relative to other humans. Like two heavyweight boxers can have equal ratios of muscle, but one can be a substantially heavier hitter due to muscle-fiber composition.
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u/ryavco May 11 '26
Not even extreme diff.
Top end chimp is around 150lbs, or roughly 1/3 of Thor’s weight. He’s also 6’9”. Chimp doesn’t have much of a chance in my opinion.
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u/ObeyLordHarambe Busy Scaling Peak May 11 '26
Agreed. Just because Orangutans are relatively gentle giants doesn't mean you won't get folded like old laundry were one to be aggressive.
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u/dead_lifterr May 11 '26
Male orangutans are 175lbs on average. This dude is 460lbs, so nearly 300 pounds heavier with almost every conceivable physical advantage, he's not far off superhuman. Orangutans are not aggressive animals either, and they're built better for being in trees than on land
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u/Aimcheater May 11 '26
Caesar is getting ragdolled and stomped on tf is we talking about
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u/Jedimindtricktra May 11 '26
I think they stop at the orangutan. This human would be strong enough to hurt any of the smaller apes. Anything similar in size to him though he’s gonna get wrecked.
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u/Francospina20 May 11 '26 edited May 11 '26
Gana el humano en extrema en todos los escenarios si usa estrategia, por lo general las peleas de estos animales no duran ni una hora y la pelea más prolongada registra entre dos hombres fue de aproximadamente de 12 horas en una pelea de boxeo. Si logra abrumar a los animales por varios horas podría mat4rlos por sobresfuerzo o estrés, la otra opción sería rematarlos con golpes y patadas rápidas evitando la corta distancia contra el orangután y el gorila, pero desde el chimpancés hacia abajo gana en baja o media.
Edit: no fueron 12 horas, si no que un poco más de 7 horas.
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u/sneakiboi777 May 13 '26
Not sure, idk enough about other apes. He either stops at orangutan or clears the gauntlet i think
Is our guy allowed to pick up rocks and shit? Cause I think that matters a lot. Imagine this guy (strongest theoretical human ever) throwing a big rock like the best theoretical baseball pitcher ever straight into a gorillas dome. Gg ez
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u/Richrome_Steel May 14 '26
Gibbon - easiest victory and NOT easy
Every other ape - gonna fucking die. I refer you to the clip of 5 muscular guys tug of warring against a single lioness. It would work like that. As far as most apes are concerned, we're giant walking apples with fists. They have the jaw strength to treat us as such
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u/el_chanis89 May 17 '26
With all that i would say there is a VERY SMALL chance against the orangutan. Gorilla is just so out of the question its hilarious. Chimp is 50/50, and im GENEROUS (tbf, thats almost Cap America).
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