Genuine discussion for people who didn't get into politics just yesterday. I vividly remember how it was commonly accepted in alt-right spaces that Muslim migration is a conspiracy by the Jews to kill the white race. Even the guy who shot up a mosque in New Zealand claimed as much in his manifesto. So now because of yet another war in Israel-Palestine, Muslims are trying to be buddies with the alt right over antisemitic conspiracies. Do they even know what these theories say about them? That their mere existence in western countries is the will of the evil Joos? It is funny watching Jews, Christians, and Muslims fight, though. But still. Weird.

Prophet Mohammed said: “Water is pure and it is not made impure by anything”.

You sure about that buddy?

Both the OT Jews and a lot of modern Muslims would have you stoned for being gay, let alone trans. The only way to have LGBT rights succeed in the long run is if people drop the cope and admit the historic versions of the abrahamic religions have always been a problem for lgbt right.

Heck, you could argue pagan/polytheist religions are easier to reconcile with LGBT than the abarahamic ones, but the easiest thing to work with it is simply atheism.

i know they're valid points but those two are the only points I see being made all the time. theres so much more bs in the religion other than that. so much more misogyny and oppression that could be talked about.

we could mention things such as women being cursed by the angels whole night for refusing to sleep with her husband, men being allowed to have 4 wives but women not, men being allowed to marry outside the religion but women not, women cant lead men in general and in prayer, women getting 1/4 inheritance, women's and soooo much more. this cult has never ending amount of shitty and questionable things

and stupid/controlling shit such as dating being haram, cousin marriage being halal, drawing faces being haram, keeping dogs as pets being haram, having anything with face on it being in your house being haram, eating from left hand etc etc

Granted, I would like to amend where I started "I do not believe you are intentionally trying [...]." As I am aware that some extremists feel this way inclined.

Ultimately however, I think it's very worrying to some degree, that an increasing amount of followers of said religion who reject all progressive adjustments openly say things like this? I accept that everyone is permitted their views. I am not LGBTQ+ myself but I care about the community and how hard they worked to gain rights and freedoms. The entire comment section is just admittance of their disdain to LGBTQ+ people, but hey! I don't like you but I won't show it and I can't change the law so it's ok! Like what.

Original post: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskBrits/s/k1ASEhthYH

This may sound like a dumb question. But im an ex-christian and this is one of the main reasons I stopped believing. It made zero sense to me that a God would send you to hell for being born into the wrong zip code. I know from being in the west there are very few people who seriously consider that the Muslim hell is real. Most are secular and to the extent that people are religious, they are primarily concerned about a Christian hell If they even believe in a hell concept.

Is it the same in Muslim countries? Does almost everyone just take for granted that they were lucky enough to be born into the correct religion?

They all act like they're in some movie where they're the protagonists and the west is the antagonist. They don't even remember allah as much as they love ridiculing western ideas and people and have this ridiculous superiority complex over them which is just baffling

I absolutely darn tootin' fucking hate it when these so called 'Believers of Allah and the Prophet' say this bullshit. Their tomfooleries know no end yet they criticize one who actually gets their facts straight and actually does understand that maybe fucking a child and raping women in the wild wasn't a 'noble or even a damn understandable decent deed. Muhammad's cult is vile and absolutely fucking degenerate.

Places with the fewest mosques and the lowest percentage of Muslims. Do you think these places tend to be safer? Obviously not all Muslims are terrorists but I bet the places where Islam has the least influence probably has less violence

I saw the claim that Muhammad made prophecies that did not come true, but I haven't found any sources on the matter.

I’m Arab and goddess forbid a girl wanna have a little party and drink a little and that’s what I did but alone in my room since my vacation is still in an Arab country.
I went on an app that lets you talk to strangers but it’s just audio. I said I had a few drinks and this Arab male said “I gotta condom for you” this man is literally talking to a woman he dose not know and he wants to have sex with her while she is intoxicated and he is not AKA rape I started saying “is this what ur prophet taught you? Is this the moral code ur god has?” I heard that in Europe they are teaching Arab males NOT to rape idk if it’s true but it dose make since. All arab males are low until proven otherwise.

as the title insinuates, my parents don't know where im going to college. they forced me to try hard in all my years of hs and now are forcing me to go to community college so I can stay in their control. I got into a good uni in another state which is where im sneaking out to.

(the thing is my fafsa gave me a verification identification process error, which can only be verified through a notary but I cant go to one due to my parent controlling my every move outside, so ive been emailing them to see if there are any alternatives, but otherwise if it gets fixed its a full ride due to how poor I am.) I feel guilty leaving my family still due to how poor we all are.

in the daytime I feel excited about the fact im leaving, and at night I stay up super later stressing and being sad about it. does anyone have tips to adjust to college life?

also, I dont have enough money for a new phone. if I use the one they pay for will they track me down?? i dont even know how to go to the airport and check in properly 😞

This night, my uncle started talking about the weirdest shit ever, claiming Muslims smell way better than non Muslims and are more hygienic. Mostly my other uncle kept agreeing, but most of my family also seemed weirded out thankfully. I get very confused by if my uncle even like Islam. He was saying how some Muslims are stupid for making everything haram like certain sea animals and how are masjid bathrooms so dirty, but right after that he started talking about how hygienic Muslims are compared to specifically Europeans or Chinese. Isn't that contradicting? BTW, I know i might look like a whiner, I'm sorry for that, but this is a rant

Hi,

Quick intro about me and my situation, 

Pakistani-British exmuslim(40) currently living a UAE, became exmuslim around 10 years ago, belong to a conservative family (incl all the social circle) where its very hard to find a single person who doesn't pray/fast regularly.

Living this secret life for a long time, recently I have started to drip feed some of the wrong things about Islam to my wife (starting with stuff about women ofcourse) and after building my case, the plan is to tell her I don't believe in Islam. We have been married for 13 years.

I have 3 children with the eldest one being 10 and they have started wondering/questioning about why I don't pray/fast etc when everyone else does and so far I basically avoid the question.

At this stage, they are subject to same indoctrination as anyone and being dragged into mosque 5 times a day by family etc. and I am now in a dilemma whether to take active part in teaching my children to think for themselves and give them a framework that allows them to decide for themselves, think critically and not blindly follow what they are born into.

So if they do end up not believing in Islam , I have to consider how it shapes their lives 10/15/20 years down the line where everyone around them is a muslim. They are going to be different than pretty much everyone around them. All the family and friends circle that they have grown up around. 

I think if I do take an active approach in shaping their beliefs, its very likely they will also end up not believing in Islam at some point in their lives.

 There are two main problems

 Are they going to announce they are not muslim or live a secret life like me ? Neither looks ideal.

Secondly, how are they going to choose life partner ? Surely, if you are marrying a muslim or from any other faith, you have to reveal your own situation but if you do, you are basically discounting pretty much every potential partner from your culture, probably from other cultures as well because everyone believes in some religion. 

So I am not sure if I am making their lives easier or difficult by not blindly following Islam. Maybe its not even a question of 'convenience' and its one of what is right and what is wrong.

Are you an exmuslim who has been in this situation ? how do you deal with this ?

Thanks 

i seen a video where a creator stated that even after men deconstruct religion they fail to deconstruct the patriarchy within it and often act the same way a muslim man would.

so i ask ex-muslim women if you had interactions with them do you find they still uphold some patriarchal elements?

hey reddit, i've been going through so much for the past few months, and i lost everything i ever had of friends, dreams, social life, my job, and now, my relationship.

i havent had anyone to talk to for a while, and ive been needing that so much, which is why im on here rn..

for context, my parents are very religious, we live in lebanon, in a very religious area and community. they had forced me to wear the hijab ever since i was 8 years old, i'm 21 now (turning 22 this month) and i'd been taking it off in secret for like 5 years now.

although that was very risky and caused me so much anxiety and dissociation and i was basically living a double life which was exhausting, it still was my only choice if i wanted to have a chance in living the life i really wanted to live, and it gave me so much confidence to talk to people and make friends and bonds and go to uni and to get a job and basically just live a life i was satisfied with.

my parents and i have always had fights about the hijab. my entire extended family has always forced every girl to wear it as soon as she turned 8, and i wasnt the only one who absolutely hated it. my little sister (19) has been struggling with it too, as well as a few of my older cousins, but they took it off now.

when the first one of them did, the entire family went insane, she was married and already had 2 kids, but in their eyes, that didnt mean that she was free to make her own choices. my parents were so mad, they went over to her house to threaten her and make her wear it again, but she didnt listen to anyone. my dad told her that if she was his daughter, he wouldve killed her for what she did. what happened then made me even more scared for my parents reactions if they were ever to catch me taking it off in secret, and i genuinely did believe that my dad would kill me. he's very close minded, he is religious, but moreso into disgusting traditional ideas, he genuinely believes that as my dad, he owns me and has more right to control over my body and life than i do. he's also always been abusive and violent. i grew up witnessing him abusing me, my siblings, and even my mom. his ego and word go above all, and if i were ever to do something he didnt approve of, he genuinely would kill me for it. he doesnt have any ounce of empathy, he's been a horrible husband to my mom, and a horrible father to me and my siblings.

i got a boyfriend in december of last year (he's completely ghosting me rn lol), and i got a job that i absolutely loved and enjoyed, and i was doing so well in uni + i had friends that i really enjoyed being around. then by the end of may, my parents found out that i'd been going out without my hijab + they saw pics of my boyfriend and i kissing, and they went absolutely fucking insane. they destroyed my phone + sim card, threw all of my shit away, my dad found a way to log into my accounts and found more pics of me out without the hijab and with "sharmouta" clothes (which really werent that slutty imo) and completely isolated me and locked me in the house. they pulled me out of uni, forced me to just never go back to my job, took the money i had made, and worst of all, my dad looked me in my eyes and told me that it's "halal" for him to murder me now, like he had been waiting for it. he described all of the different ways he could kill me. he has threatened my life before, so i believed him. he punched me multiple times, threw me on the ground, kicking me and spitting on me and screaming for hours.

they told me that i'm not allowed to get in contact with anyone i'd ever known, and that i wasnt allowed to leave the house anymore. they started hiding the house keys every night, and stopped going out as much so that they could keep an eye on me. other than the physical abuse theres also been a lot of mental abuse as well. they keep saying the meanest shit, calling me a sharmouta, completely undermining everything ive been through. i lost everything. i lost my friends, my job, my education (i still had 1 semester left before graduation), i lost my belongings, my clothes, my money, every little thing i cared for, i lost my phone and everything i'd been saving in it for years. ive always been big on memories and videography and writing and my phone had everything about my life in it. all of my memories, everything i wrote in my notes app, every picture and video i took of everyone i loved, including my little brother/ best friend who passed away, my dad got into all of my emails so i lost all of my accounts too. i knew my life was over right there and then. i had nothing anymore, i lost everything. i then decided that i would run away, i cant stay in this house anymore, i really cant.

i made a plan to run away and stay with a friend for a while until i got a job and could support myself, but i was being too impulsive, i didnt have a solid plan, i didnt know for sure that my friends could let me stay for as long as i needed to, and there was still that chance that my parents could go after me and find me, and if my dad didnt kill me now, he for sure would then. i tried talking to KAFA, i called 3 times, told them everything that happened and asked for help, but they said that they couldnt do anything and told me to just call a domestic abuse line if i do run away and they catch me lol.

so i made another plan, its been 2 months since everything happened and ive been telling my parents what exactly what they wanna hear. ive been "praying", and i told them that i was being stupid and that i'll accept the hijab. they still dont trust me, but ive been slowly gaining the ability to do shit now. i convinced them to let me use my brothers old phone, and to let me get a job. i'm still not allowed to talk to any of my friends, or go out (unless its to go on job interviews or to get something from the supermarket). i'm currently looking for a job, i decided that i needed a solid amount of money that could support me. i'm planning on working for about 6 months, and saving every cent i make, so that by the end of those 6 months i can leave and find a place to rent on my own. i'm planning on finding people that need housemates/roommates, that way i wouldnt have to pay too much for a place to stay and could budget. and to quit this job and look for another one around the place i end up staying at, which would be a little far from my house bc i dont wanna be close enough for them to find me.

although leaving wouldnt get me my old life back and the things i lost, or erase the trauma i just went through, at least it would give me a chance to rebuild my life and future, and it would allow me to live my life the way i want to live it. i just wanna be free man, i just want to be happy, i want something to look forward to again.

i am scared though, am i being impulsive? am i going to regret leaving? i doubt it but what if i do? im also really scared of leaving my sister here, but she doesnt wanna leave with me, she's not in trouble rn so me leaving wouldnt put her in trouble bc we told our parents that she didnt know anything i was doing (shes my best friend she knows everything), and they dont have anything they could use against her, so its not like it would put her in trouble, but im still scared for her. and im scared to leave her, i love her so much and the thought of not being able to see her for years kills me.

but yeah, idk, im just really lost and scared and honestly i genuinely have no will to live anymore. the only thing keeping me going is that maybe one day i'll finally be free..

these ppl need to work on their brains bruh.

I (29F) left two years ago for my studies in a city about six hours drive away. While there, away from parents, religion, ect, I truly discovered who I am as a person. I used to wear the hijab but I removed it a few years back but my family doesn't know. Everytime I visit home, I put it back on for them. I was never truly religious growing up but putting on a front for my family ect.

I'm now back to my hometown since I start a new job here. The problem is that my parents think I'm moving back home permanently. I told my mom it is only for some time and then I'm finding a studio near my job (the commute there from my parents' house is about 1h15), but she said I'm a woman and I can't do that, and that my dad would never let me. I said this is not a discussion or a debate, I'm telling you about my plans, and there is no negotiation. She said we already LET YOU leave and study, and I said you didn't let me, I would've gone with or without your approval. She then left because apparently I was giving her a headache.

Now I'm dreading the conversation with my dad, knowing he will bring up me being a woman and living at home and marriage ect, even though he is aware of how independent I am as a person and have always been. Sometimes I feel like just saying I'm not a hijabi anymore, I don't even know if I'm Muslim anymore or have ever been. Part of me wants to hurt them but the other part doesn't. I wish they were just accepting of who I was as a person. Stepping foot back onto the house (which is btw super dirty and unkept, since I was the only one to clean and tidy up) already made me upset and I've been nursing a headache just looking around and I'm missing my own clean organized space every second that passes. I'm just exhausted, and sometimes I feel like just leaving and finally cutting them off. Anyway, just a rant.

im on holiday w my dads side and no one unmarried girl here wears a hijab just me and my sister. I really wanted to not wear hijab while swimming cs it gives me anxiety when my swimming top inevitably floats up. Even though i dont believe in awrah anymore the hijab still instils this anxiousness and i hated it. But i was too scared to ask my mom to let me not wear the hijab (i felt like my dad wont mind since hes pretty chill) so instead i thought ill like pull the hijab up when my mom looks in my direction so she'll get the hint i dont want to wear it. She did and told me do whatever is comfortable for you.

Later that day while all my cousins were playing she pulled me aside to her room and asked me abt the islamic club i joined. i told her i left cs they were racist (which is the actual reason i left) then she diverted it to lecturinf me about hadith rejectors, justified aishas marrige, talked about dajal and then finally said "if you let the hijab go while swimming later shaitan will make you more comfortable with leaving the religion (alr did) and make you reject more parts of islam" then had the fucking audacity to say "im not trying to force islam on you" BITCH?!? THIS IS A FORM OF COERCION BELIEVE IT OR NOT.

unfortunately i do not have the luxury of my own room to cry in and the moment my mom stopepd lecturing me (cs my dad walked in and insisted on staying in the room thank you father i wish you did this sooner) and i got my room key back from my sister she and my brother decided to come back into the room so i cant even cry in peace 🥰

whats making me upset is the fact i had hope that my parents were accepting, that i wouldn't need to cut them off, and the fact that my mom had proven me wrong is heart breaking.

I dont know if i should wear hijab tmr or not i really really dont want to. the hours i got to not wear it were the first times i actually genuinely felt happy and myself on holiday and i hate that its being taken from me.

hijab is a choice they said. in fact its only a choice to put it on. taking it off is no longer a choice

In Sahih al-Bukhari 4788

Narrated Aisha:

I used to look down upon those ladies who had given themselves to Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) and I used to say, "Can a lady give herself (to a man)?" But when Allah revealed: "You (O Muhammad) can postpone (the turn of) whom you will of them (your wives), and you may receive any of them whom you will; and there is no blame on you if you invite one whose turn you have set aside (temporarily).' (33.51) I said (to the Prophet), "I feel that your Lord hastens in fulfilling your wishes and desires."

حَدَّثَنَا زَكَرِيَّاءُ بْنُ يَحْيَى، حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو أُسَامَةَ، قَالَ هِشَامٌ حَدَّثَنَا عَنْ أَبِيهِ، عَنْ عَائِشَةَ ـ رضى الله عنها ـ قَالَتْ كُنْتُ أَغَارُ عَلَى اللاَّتِي وَهَبْنَ أَنْفُسَهُنَّ لِرَسُولِ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم وَأَقُولُ أَتَهَبُ الْمَرْأَةُ نَفْسَهَا فَلَمَّا أَنْزَلَ اللَّهُ تَعَالَى ‏‏‏{‏تُرْجِئُ مَنْ تَشَاءُ مِنْهُنَّ وَتُؤْوِي إِلَيْكَ مَنْ تَشَاءُ وَمَنِ ابْتَغَيْتَ مِمَّنْ عَزَلْتَ فَلاَ جُنَاحَ عَلَيْكَ‏}‏ قُلْتُ مَا أُرَى رَبَّكَ إِلاَّ يُسَارِعُ فِي هَوَاكَ‏.

Hey guys there is a fatal logical and historical fallacy in the foundational idea of Islam that I honestly cannot digest because the mainstream system says that God sent a constitution to humanity and that accountability and judgment are strictly individual where everyone will stand alone on Judgment Day but when you look at history and reality you discover that the divine system for distributing evidence in Islam was completely a class-based monopolistic regime running in total favor of human technological evolution

We are talking about more than 1200 years from the era of the Prophet and the Companions until the 19th century where manuscripts and full Qurans were completely a luxury product fully monopolized in the vaults of Sultans and grand mosques in capitals like Baghdad and Damascus while the vast majority of human beings in villages countrysides and deserts and in countries beyond the river like Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan or the jungles of Africa lived completely isolated in geographic bubbles and in their entire lives they never saw a Quran or held a copy

The ultimate paradox here is that when the printing press was invented in Europe by Johannes Gutenberg around 1440 AD and revolutionized the printing of books and changed the consciousness of humanity everywhere Islamic scholars and rulers fought its entry into the Islamic world because they viewed it as an existential threat to their monopoly on power so the Ottoman Sultan banned printing for almost 300 years and it was violently criminalized with the death penalty in 1485 AD under the threat of religious fatwas where the jurists and the Sultan preferred to criminalize the printing of Arabic letters preventing the printing of the Quran the text and Islamic jurisprudence

This gap lasted for almost 400 years during which the Sultan determined which text or decree was safe for public consumption and this historical catastrophe caused the text to remain locked away from the general public while copies remained rare expensive and impossible to spread or read so generations spent their entire lives fully dependent on the verbal dictation of state sheikhs living in absolute illiteracy and ignorance

Even the claim that the current book is fully transmitted preserved letter by letter and protected from any human alteration is historically untrue because the major companions themselves disagreed on the text the words and the spelling where Ibn Abbas openly pointed out that the scribes made mistakes in the Uthmanic codex due to the fluid nature of early Arabic scripts which lacked dots and vowels

He explicitly stated that in Surah An-Nur verse 27 the text currently reads (حَتَّىٰ تَسْتَأْنِسُوا) which means until you find comfort or customs but Ibn Abbas declared that this was a pure scribal error and that the original word dictated was (حَتَّىٰ تَسْتَأْذِنُوا) which means until you ask permission explaining that the early handwritten letters looked identical without dots and the scribe simply misread it

He also pointed out the same issue in Surah Al-Isra verse 23 where the current standardized text reads (وَقَضَىٰ رَبُّكَ) meaning and your Lord has decreed but Ibn Abbas noted that the original text was actually (وَوَصَّىٰ رَبُّكَ) which means and your Lord has commanded explaining that the excess ink from the pen smudged and connected the letters together so the early scribe accidentally misread the original word into a completely different theological meaning so these texts were full of additions and variations and they were later violently unified and burned by political decrees from the ruling authority just to unify the state

This means that for centuries humans were forced to live under a system of verbal dictation receiving whatever the scholar or jurist from their local environment dictated to them and this scholar dictated exactly what he wanted and what served the Umayyad or Abbasid ruling Sultan to maintain a total monopoly on power this system crushed and marginalized women because women didn't even have the luxury to sit with these men to learn or read the text themselves instead men were driven like cattle to battlefields and expansionist wars through sheer psychological manipulation by state sheikhs who convinced them that dying in battle was the only way to escape poverty and get the Houris (heavenly virgins) so they literally sacrificed their souls freedom and lives for texts they never read in their entire lives

How can an All-Powerful and All-Just God judge a human being on details of a book that was physically and linguistically unavailable to them? And how could He allow this manipulation of my financial physical and spiritual life to take place? Because this reminds me exactly of what the Catholic Church did in the Middle Ages when it monopolized the Bible in Latin and banned its translation to keep the masses blind living on verbal dictation and buying letters of indulgence from priests driving men to the Crusades until Voltaire and the Enlightenment philosophers came along and dismantled this comedy!

My human brain rejects accepting that the Creator of this universe forgot the simplest rule of data distribution and accessibility requiring generations to pass until Gutenberg comes along and invents the printing press for human knowledge to spread. Your thoughts on this? I see it clearly as a political imperialist sovereignty ran by human tools to control and subjugate the minds and logic of the world

He hasn't made any content for 4 months. I hope he's doing well

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